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  #138969 18-Jun-2008 14:13
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I'm not sure that drawing any conclusions from the U.S. comment (which may very well not be based on hard facts either), is useful to us here. Pricing models internationally, seem to vary quite considerably - presumably depending on the type of deal done with individual carriers. Given that Vodafone internationally has a number of countries involved, a deal for phone pricing for them may have quite a different shape to that between AT&T and Apple. 

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  #138997 18-Jun-2008 16:45
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The US and even Aus prices will have absolutley no bearing on what we will be paying, its well known we get shafted, and the iphone will be no different. Yes the iphone is being subsidised. However in the keynote, Steve Jobs said the worldwide price has been set at $199US.. as discussed earlier we can expect that to be roughly $299nz on a contract for the 8gb which isnt too bad. If vodafone decide to charge $500+ on a contract iphone they are kidding themselfs, although there are pleanty of people who will jump at it, i wont be! A lot of people know the price should be 199US/299NZ and if vodafone decide to charge significantly more there should and probably will be a lot of complaints and an uproar from the joe public.
The newly announced casual data plan better not be all vodafone have planned!! good god that would be expensive for regular iphone use. 2gb for $30ish would be awesome and what id be willing to pay, but even this is fairly unrealistic.. at a guess i reckon they will offer 1gb for $40+ a month and try to tell you this is a fantastic deal.

 
 
 
 


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  #139017 18-Jun-2008 18:02
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I wouldn't read anything into any prices in the US, the UK or even Australia. NZ market isn't like any of them so you can't compare. Easy to say that its going to be US$499 but that doesn't mean it will be $599 in NZ as we don't have the same population, or competition.
 
If I had to guess, I'd say it will be $999 but I doubt it will be sold "outright" but only on a plan. I'd imagine the plan will be some sort of 'apple' plan, with say $40 of calling and $40-50 of data bundled together to maybe a $89 to $99 a month (!) plan. So not a cheap phone or plan but plenty of people will go for it I imagine. And once everyone has one, who wants to be like all the other sheep IMHO


Note though that I've heard nothing at all about it at work, no matter who I ask ... apart from the fact that I won't be getting one so am already over the hype Laughing

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  #139027 18-Jun-2008 18:55
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Madmax77: Post below found on Macrumors. Seems the US iPhone 3G is being subsidised US$200 by AT&T who will make the $200 back over the term of the 2 year contract. So if the true cost of the device is a US$400, then we may expect to pay a little more here (ie, NZ$599 perhaps?) depending on how much Vodafone is subsidising it here. Not sure who controls the price in that arena...but we are in for an interesting ride.

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  #139090 18-Jun-2008 23:15
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im keen for the 3g iphone on prepaid as im on a telecom plan and i prefer to stay on their plans. guessing itll be a while before vodafone nz puts the 3g iphone on prepaid so maybe next best thing is to get an unlocked one from aussie or the uk? then when telecom's new gsm network is running i can run a telecom sim in it.?

does this sound feasible or am i way off track Laughing




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  #139137 19-Jun-2008 11:13
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Damager: 
then when telecom's new gsm network is running <snip>
does this sound feasible or am i way off track Laughing

yes, I did cut some words, and no not off track, 
Not a question of IF but a question of WHEN

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  #139326 20-Jun-2008 10:43
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I have seen a number of posts talking about how Vodafone is likely to charge much more then US$200. If we do see them release the phone at the NZ$600-1000 while it is being released in other markets at US$200 then Vodafone must surely have a case to answer to the commerce commission about abusing monopoly power (only provider) and price gorging. This also applies to the data plans on offer. If prices are so high that it is obvious they are abusing their position as the only provider to maximise profit.

I would encourage all those reading to consider a "fair" price and an unacceptability price. Should this unacceptable price be breached, by contacting the Ombudsman we could force a review of their pricing policy. By proving that prices are substantially cheaper in markets where there is competition (two or more carriers who have the iphone) then Vodafone would have a case to answer of exploiting their monopoly position and price gorging.

The Commerce Act outlines ways that Vodafone can be judged and held accountable should it be necessary.



 
 
 
 


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  #139339 20-Jun-2008 11:04
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dominicmck:

.... Vodafone must surely have a case to answer to the commerce commission about abusing monopoly power (only provider) and price gorging.



Vodafone NZ (not sure about other vodafone groups) are not a monopoly. If you don't like the price, perhaps another phone would be more suitable?




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  #139341 20-Jun-2008 11:14
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Part of the deal to sell the iPhone means that purchase cost (excluding plan commitment/cost) is not to be more than US$199.  Apple want to move 10 million plus of these in 2009, and serious about doing so.

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  #139342 20-Jun-2008 11:17
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cokemaster:
dominicmck:

.... Vodafone must surely have a case to answer to the commerce commission about abusing monopoly power (only provider) and price gorging.



Vodafone NZ (not sure about other vodafone groups) are not a monopoly. If you don't like the price, perhaps another phone would be more suitable?


As the only provider of the iphone they will have a monopoly on the iphone (not on mobiles in general). While we all have a choice to choose a different phone if we do not like the prices, it does not mean that the prices or policies are legal under NZ competition law.


When it is possible to directly compare to a similar market (Australia) with multiple competing providers and the NZ monopoly price is higher, than the law has provisions to review the pricing structure. Despite the fact that monopoly pricing occurs in NZ often without being challenged, the popularity of the iphone and potential scale of the price gorging could warrant sufficient public outcry, which directed through the right channels could have an impact.


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  #139344 20-Jun-2008 11:20
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Just wait till December??

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  #139346 20-Jun-2008 11:29
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December? huh? July 11th is the longest we will have to wait!

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  #139347 20-Jun-2008 11:30
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For Telecom GSM/WCDMA I mean. If you're concerned about competition.

Edit: To pre-empt the perfectionists among you, late november to be precise. Cool

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  #139354 20-Jun-2008 11:50
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I have this crazy feeling that not only are Vodafone going to release the iPhones at great pricing ($299 for 8GB version) but they will also unveil a new data plan that will blow away all their current plans. Call me hopeful but I get the impression that VFNZ are finally starting to listen to their customers... First there was the locking/unlocking of phones saga, then they released the $1 a day casual rate, next will be a big improvement to their data plans...

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  #139362 20-Jun-2008 12:05
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amanzi: I have this crazy feeling that not only are Vodafone going to release the iPhones at great pricing ($299 for 8GB version) but they will also unveil a new data plan that will blow away all their current plans. Call me hopeful but I get the impression that VFNZ are finally starting to listen to their customers... First there was the locking/unlocking of phones saga, then they released the $1 a day casual rate, next will be a big improvement to their data plans...


I'm praying too...

But i'm not holding my breath.

Maybe vodafone have a certian 'first run' allocation of iPhones. say 10,000 for arguments sake. Wouldn't you rather sell these 10,000 with contracts for the greatest profit and start selling prepay ones when apple starts pumping out iPhones at a faster rate?

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