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  # 130990 14-May-2008 20:58
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I ran a speed test at a FTTH house, but used the Telecom speed test site, and the speed was not limited to 30Mb/s, so I got 90Mb/s....nice

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  # 131008 14-May-2008 21:57
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Vector has a fibre running past my block and WxC is their partner for providing services. Does that mean WxC should be able to hook me up? What type of cost would be involved?




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  # 131028 14-May-2008 23:00
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A friend who called up xnet was told the $45 plan is 128k/128k - in other words a voice line and dialup replacement plan.

Admittedly the share of available fibre bandwidth is like a stream of piss compared to the Huka Falls. But while this may be completely unexciting for you lot, I know several comparative luddites who would go for it merely for the ability to make calls and surf at the same time without increasing their monthly bill.

Gosh - was someone actually listening to my complaints about Telecom's so-called broadband at dialup prices??




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  # 131093 15-May-2008 18:55
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Niel: Vector has a fibre running past my block and WxC is their partner for providing services. Does that mean WxC should be able to hook me up? What type of cost would be involved?


They would have to see what is required for a build, but the build fees start at like $500 and increase depending on how far they need to run the connection to hook up to your router.

I'm sure if you give them your address they will be able to give you an idea. You might even get a discount depending on how long you sign up for.... but dont take my word for it, give them a call :) they will probably create a custome package for you

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  # 131242 16-May-2008 13:01
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My mate was told that the plans in the pdf flier are only for small pockets of the North Shore and South Island where ftth has already been installed. I think this calls for a "Bugger!"

Like several others I took maverick's posting here, the flier and the mention of WorldXChange on the vectorfibre site, combined them and came to an incorrect conclusion. Maybe it was just self serving wish fulfillment but this clearly shows the demand is there.

WorldXChange now need to:
- de-pilot the scheme. We know too much now and we'll moan stridently and incessantly in these forums until it's made available to everyone with nearby fibre
- partner with a ftth installer so that WXC can quote a full install price including trench digging etc
- arrange with vector to incorporate ftth in the ongoing "dig once" undergrounding to reduce install costs

If insane knows what s/he's talking about then a lot of people would be interested in a $500 install. Heck, even renters may be able to convince their landlords that it will improve the value and desirability of the property.

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  # 131261 16-May-2008 14:04
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nzdn: My mate was told that the plans in the pdf flier are only for small pockets of the North Shore and South Island where ftth has already been installed. I think this calls for a "Bugger!"

Like several others I took maverick's posting here, the flier and the mention of WorldXChange on the vectorfibre site, combined them and came to an incorrect conclusion. Maybe it was just self serving wish fulfillment but this clearly shows the demand is there.

WorldXChange now need to:
- de-pilot the scheme. We know too much now and we'll moan stridently and incessantly in these forums until it's made available to everyone with nearby fibre
- partner with a ftth installer so that WXC can quote a full install price including trench digging etc
- arrange with vector to incorporate ftth in the ongoing "dig once" undergrounding to reduce install costs

If insane knows what s/he's talking about then a lot of people would be interested in a $500 install. Heck, even renters may be able to convince their landlords that it will improve the value and desirability of the property.

You're confusing two things here.  Maverick is talking about TNZ FTTH pilots, which WxC can't influence the "de-pilot"ing of.

Vector don't do FTTH, and their business model certainly isn't for residential services.  Last time I worked with Vector install fees ranged from $495 in a lit building through to $80K for buildings where trenching was required.  Any time build is required you are locked into long long contracts for them to subsidise it (5 years, even 10 years) or you face high build costs.  Their network is also not designed for FTTH services, as it's p2p Ethernet based.

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  # 131282 16-May-2008 16:00
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nzdn: WorldXChange now need to:
- de-pilot the scheme. We know too much now and we'll moan stridently and incessantly in these forums until it's made available to everyone with nearby fibre


The idea of a pilot is not to keep things under wraps. A pilot is about testing the technology and processes in a controlled environment before rolling it out. User Acceptance Testing, if you will. There's no point in "de-piloting". The pilot needs to be completed and reviewed, or the whole concept will turn to fecal matter in no time.

- partner with a ftth installer so that WXC can quote a full install price including trench digging etc


You can't just dig up every road from your place to the nearest exchange to lay a dedicated fibre link (and it'll be a tad more than $500 to do so), and there's no way that companies like Vector are going to make their private fibre network publicly available as they don't have the interest or the expertise to support residential customers.

- arrange with vector to incorporate ftth in the ongoing "dig once" undergrounding to reduce install costs


So you've got a few million (or even billion) dollars that you're willing to spare them to pay for it?


Yes, there are lots of people that want FTTH now, but the reality is that, unless we're in one of these new subdivisions, we all have to wait until Telecom complete their fibre roll-out as no other company has the money or the interest in rolling out a country-wide fibre network.

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  # 131365 17-May-2008 00:24
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PenultimateHop:
Vector don't do FTTH, and their business model certainly isn't for residential services. Last time I worked with Vector install fees ranged from $495 in a lit building through to $80K for buildings where trenching was required. Any time build is required you are locked into long long contracts for them to subsidise it (5 years, even 10 years) or you face high build costs. Their network is also not designed for FTTH services, as it's p2p Ethernet based.


Well it comes down to the other services the ISP offers. Some ISP's can join multiple services together to allow the creation of point to point networks or even add p2p networks to sites connected via ADSL or a wireless solution using MPLS etc etc (sure, not for your everyday user) but it does allow for some degree of creativity.

I guess its all about suply and demand. The suply is there, its just a question of how desperatly you want to have the bragging rights. Many of the fibre installs organisations have are for uptime, latency, security and not just for speeds.

'Normal' contracts are for 12, 24 or 36 month, personally I havent seen a 10 year one myself yet, but I guess large organisations may opt for something like that..... 10 years sounds so long..

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# 131368 17-May-2008 05:23
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What you guys need is to buy a building in a strategically good location for a cell site, then convince Telecom to install a cell tower on the top and Voila they install fibre for free :D

Ok... so this only really applies if you happen to own an office building on a hill or something...

Dreams are free!

Basically you are only going to get a Fibre connection now if you are a big business and/or have oodles of money to spend on a commercial connection, or live in an area where FTTH has been rolled out (ie new Subdivisions, pilot projects etc). Perhaps move up to Whangarei over the next couple of years where Northpower is rolling out their PON.

Any of you can get a fibre connection right now if you have anywhere from thousands to tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to spend on trenching and fibre laying :D

You could start your own micro ISP if you had some spare cash and wanted to share the ongoing costs - get a fibre dropped to your house, buy a carrier grade WiFi access point with an ub3r antenna and sell it around your neighbourhood, perhaps with a mesh setup. All you'd need is a fibre connection, a couple $grand worth of wifi gear, an IP block/AS and a BGP router, probably with a traffic shaper and whatnot. If you had some network smarts you could do it fairly easily and boom you have a fibre connection and the cost is shared with a bunch of people. You could get a 100mb/s connection, take 30 for yourself, and split the other 70 betweeen anything from 7 people at 10mb/s each or 70 people at 1mb/s each. Cool

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  # 131745 19-May-2008 12:16
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insane: Well it comes down to the other services the ISP offers. Some ISP's can join multiple services together to allow the creation of point to point networks or even add p2p networks to sites connected via ADSL or a wireless solution using MPLS etc etc (sure, not for your everyday user) but it does allow for some degree of creativity.

I guess its all about suply and demand. The suply is there, its just a question of how desperatly you want to have the bragging rights. Many of the fibre installs organisations have are for uptime, latency, security and not just for speeds.

'Normal' contracts are for 12, 24 or 36 month, personally I havent seen a 10 year one myself yet, but I guess large organisations may opt for something like that..... 10 years sounds so long..
You are missing the point: Vector's network and business model are not aligned with FTTH.  Not in the slightest.

(I have certainly seen 4 and 8 year contracts with Vector.  I've signed them.)

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  # 131925 19-May-2008 21:43
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dam - whens this coming out of auckland?

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