Vodafone Ultra Home Hub - new adsl/vdsl/cable/fibre modem/wireless router

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#1851373 23-Aug-2017 16:19

What is the DSL chipset in this modem?

Bcm6303

What is the clockrate of that dualcore cpu?

400mhz

Has there been any tests on routing performance?

Yes everything is fully tested

How locked down is the device for a IT person to tweak?

Basic, typical functions via the GUI are available. No telnet or SSH

Is bridging supported out of the box?

Oh Oh, and bonus question - why the choice to move back to Technicolor?

Commercial decision

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#1851381 23-Aug-2017 16:47

not a bad chipset choice, only a few i'd put higher on the list - nicely done :)

bridging i feel is the kicker where this device may hurt in terms of giving power users a chance to stay within your subset.

Being that that is limited to ADSL and VDSL for this device, i suppose nullvoid

Overall, i'll certainly be interested in playing with one although i'll miss my logging process while testing...

When do these devices start deploying? Will they be on offer for ADSL -> VDSL upgrades (existing customer)

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#1851383 23-Aug-2017 16:53

Yes for ADSL > VDSL upgrades

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#1851405 23-Aug-2017 17:33

Although I joke about the wifi thing, Vodafone have definitely done the right thing in putting a bit of effort in to the wifi on their router (not that the hg659 doesn't). Especially when in the consumer market, "wifi is synonymous with "internet".

hio77:

bridging i feel is the kicker where this device may hurt in terms of giving power users a chance to stay within your subset.

Don't you think a "power user" should be purchasing their own kit? I really wouldn't expect any ISP router to do much more than NAT, DHCP & DNS

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#1851471 23-Aug-2017 19:55

sbiddle:

I love the fact it's so smart you can plug your Snom IP phone into the ATA port. I wonder how that's supposed to work?

Hahaha!

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#1851586 24-Aug-2017 04:55

No external wifi antenna sockets?

How does it compare in terms of WIFI range, to the existing 659?

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#1851739 24-Aug-2017 09:59

No external wi-fi antenna sockets?

No, for some good reasons

Wi-Fi power output is legally regulated (measured at 1m from the device) so, contrary to common belief, all routers put out the same wifi power regardless of the antenna being used. Often it is aesthetic choices in router design that lead to internal or external antenna
Wi-Fi performance is a combination of Chipset, Driver and good antenna design as well as proper placement of the device. In our experience, most Wi-Fi issues are caused by poor placement than anything else.
Beamforming is achieved by phase shifting of the Wi-Fi signal. The antennas have to be positioned and aligned with one another correctly for the beamforming to work properly. If external antennas were used where the user could change the orientation it would make beamforming less effective.

How does it compare in terms of WI-FI range, to the existing 659?

There is a noticeable improvement in Wi-Fi compared to the HG659 (seen both in testing and in user trials).

I can personally attest to the difference between the 659 and Ultra Hub.

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#1851769 24-Aug-2017 10:44

Hi Mike.

Are you planning on offering a similar router to home wireless users? Or is the Huawei B315 the preferred option for the foreseeable future?

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#1851774 24-Aug-2017 10:56

This looks like a nice box. It's a shame it can't be used as a bridge though, as there are certainly advantages to leaving the ISP-supplied device in place rather than having to swap it out when a commercial firewall is being put in place for a client with a DSL connection. Often those ISP-supplied routers then just rot on a shelf for a few years before they are thrown away which is wasteful.

Are DHCP settings accessible, so DHCP can be switched off? This is generally important for sites with a small server running Active Directory, and it has been particularly annoying in the past to try and coordinate a DHCP-switch-off time with a second level support team.

We had issues with previous generations HG659 from memory) losing pinholes, so hopefully this is more robust!

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#1851777 24-Aug-2017 11:00

Dynamic:

This looks like a nice box. It's a shame it can't be used as a bridge though, as there are certainly advantages to leaving the ISP-supplied device in place rather than having to swap it out when a commercial firewall is being put in place for a client with a DSL connection. Often those ISP-supplied routers then just rot on a shelf for a few years before they are thrown away which is wasteful.

Certainly agreed, and moving forward i could see more arguable points for bridging RSP supplied modems rather than replacing it. be it modem compatibility with the DSLAMs or whatever, allows for a consistent experience throughout.

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#1851781 24-Aug-2017 11:07

Dynamic:

This looks like a nice box. It's a shame it can't be used as a bridge though, as there are certainly advantages to leaving the ISP-supplied device in place rather than having to swap it out when a commercial firewall is being put in place for a client with a DSL connection. Often those ISP-supplied routers then just rot on a shelf for a few years before they are thrown away which is wasteful.

Are DHCP settings accessible, so DHCP can be switched off? This is generally important for sites with a small server running Active Directory, and it has been particularly annoying in the past to try and coordinate a DHCP-switch-off time with a second level support team.

We had issues with previous generations HG659 from memory) losing pinholes, so hopefully this is more robust!

My thought process goes if you run the IT gear for a site, the router is part of it and for a business they shouldn't rely on the ISP supplied device. Especially when the site is complex enough to warrant having AD in place.

For example, if someone has a phone system from us they MUST have our router. It's just too hit and miss trying to support all the different ISP devices out there.

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#1851786 24-Aug-2017 11:13

Dynamic:

We had issues with previous generations HG659 from memory) losing pinholes, so hopefully this is more robust!

That should be fixed in the latest firmware.

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#1851809 24-Aug-2017 11:35

B315 is the wireless broadband modem and will remain so.

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#1851872 24-Aug-2017 13:10

Just plugged in one of these today.

I think I found a bug on the DDNS page. It wont let me save any DDNS config into this router, I click the apply button and nothing happens. If I go to a different page then back DDNS is turned off.

Tried in both Chrome and IE and confirmed credentials I was inputting was correct. Is this happening for everyone?

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#1851877 24-Aug-2017 13:18

chevrolux:

Dynamic:

This looks like a nice box. It's a shame it can't be used as a bridge though, as there are certainly advantages to leaving the ISP-supplied device in place rather than having to swap it out when a commercial firewall is being put in place for a client with a DSL connection. Often those ISP-supplied routers then just rot on a shelf for a few years before they are thrown away which is wasteful.

Are DHCP settings accessible, so DHCP can be switched off? This is generally important for sites with a small server running Active Directory, and it has been particularly annoying in the past to try and coordinate a DHCP-switch-off time with a second level support team.

We had issues with previous generations HG659 from memory) losing pinholes, so hopefully this is more robust!

My thought process goes if you run the IT gear for a site, the router is part of it and for a business they shouldn't rely on the ISP supplied device. Especially when the site is complex enough to warrant having AD in place.

For example, if someone has a phone system from us they MUST have our router. It's just too hit and miss trying to support all the different ISP devices out there.

From what I can see on the VF Website this device is not intended for commercial use, So that point isnt really relative in this case. From the ISP side of things you can't support someones custom setup with all these individual settings that will break the network if changed.

So a feature packed modem would be good, I'll stick with the HG659 for now.

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