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# 223351 25-Sep-2017 12:12
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I know I have touched on this subject before, but I continue to seek a solution that I can understand.

 

In this world of ever-increasing connectedness I find myself with 29 permanently connected devices (mostly cabled but some wifi too).

 

And there another 10 or so sometimes connected devices (mostly wifi).

 

Plus 2 port forwarding rules. It seems these count towards the 32 limit as well.

 

Last weekend four family members came to stay bringing another 7 devices between them.

 

Well it all went pear shaped I can tell you.

 

I found myself having to scramble and unconnect stuff to keep everyone happy.

 

The port forwarding rules I think disappeared of their own accord to make way for new connections, as I did not delete them but they were certainly gone.

 

Thank goodness my security cameras have their own little network, or I would have trouble getting them to stay live.

 

All of my devices are "quiet" most of the time, just being there ready for when I need to use them.

 

But it is a pain having to physically cycle devices on and off the network when I discover that what I want to use isn't connected any more because 32 other things already are.

 

And only 2 people live here (admittedly I probably own more techy stuff than your average home body), but how on earth do families manage?

 

 

 

So I'm actively searching for a better solution.

 

I'm pretty sure I have to keep the HG659b for the phone connection.

 

How would I setup a 2nd router to manage all the "network" stuff? And what router wont stop me from having all my stuff connected.





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  # 1872419 25-Sep-2017 12:36
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The latest B026 firmware should fix the port forwarding issue, are you running that?



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  # 1872423 25-Sep-2017 12:40
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I have B020. Do VF have to do the update or will they let me do it?

 

Does B026 simply stop the port forwards from being dropped, or does it also stop counting them as part of the 32?





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  # 1872425 25-Sep-2017 12:43
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http://community.vodafone.co.nz/t5/Broadband-services/Firmware-update-for-Vodafone-wireless-modem-HG659/td-p/211611




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  # 1872431 25-Sep-2017 12:59
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thank you @corksta for the link, btw you look very scary.

 

I note there is negative feedback regarding this update, and there is no changelog.

 

I still need a better solution though.

 

I looked at Edgerouter stuff, but their routers dont do wifi, you have to get another doodah for that.

 

I am mindful of not having enough powerpoints.





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  # 1872441 25-Sep-2017 13:13
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Most of the feedback I've heard is good, and we'll be pushing it out to all customers at some point. Also see here: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumId=40&topicId=220265
Only a couple of things fixed in it - port forwarding and a wifi problem.



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  # 1872771 25-Sep-2017 23:01
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I have applied the B026 firmware so hopefully my port forwards will stay put now.

 

But I'm still going to be playing musical connections with the 32 limit.

 

 





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  # 1872830 26-Sep-2017 06:57
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I've got an ata you can have, just hang it off the back of any router to do voice.




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  # 1872832 26-Sep-2017 07:15
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Your requirements would exceed those of 99.9% of residential users out there and realistically most small to medium sized business users as well.

 

An all in one solution really isn't going to cut it for such usage - your best move is to move towards a router (which the Edgerouter will be fine) and standalone wireless.

 

 


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  # 1872834 26-Sep-2017 07:18
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You could get a Unifi or similar to handle all the wifi...

 

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NETUBI1226/Ubiquiti-UniFi-UAP-AC-LR-Dual-band-AC1350-450867Mb

 

As it is POE you can position it in the house where you like...

 

 





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  # 1872865 26-Sep-2017 09:07
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sdavisnz: I've got an ata you can have, just hang it off the back of any router to do voice.

 

Thank you @sdavisnz.

 

Does it require a power point? 

 

Will it work with VF fibre voice?

 

 





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  # 1872875 26-Sep-2017 09:29
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Yes and yes.





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  # 1872880 26-Sep-2017 09:41
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@sdavisnz , I have to pop out for a while, but I'll PM you when I get back. :)





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  # 1872891 26-Sep-2017 09:47
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Is there a definitive story on what the 32 device limit is a limit on, and what happens when it is reached?

 

Max DHCP leases?  Max local IP addresses the hardware NAT can handle?  Max associations the Wifi can handle (if so, 2.4ghz? 5ghz? total?)




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  # 1873027 26-Sep-2017 12:45
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@deadlyllama in my experience the 32 device limit is port forward rules + total active connected devices.

 

On the HG659b Home Network tab, then Lan Devices on the left, you get a list of the devices connected to your router.

 

Active devices in blue, inactive are grey.

 

This list will never exceed 32 entries.

 

The connected devices can be wired, wifi, static, dhcp, whatever. They all count towards the 32.

 

It doesn't matter how big your DHCP range is.

 

Port forward rules will drop off to make room for new connections, until active connected devices reaches 32. 

 

(The B026 firmware update may or may not take the port forwards out of the equation. I haven't had it long enough to test it.)

 

 

 

If you have 32 blue entries that's it, nothing else will connect to the router until you disconnect something else and delete it from the LAN Devices table.

 

That's all I can tell you.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  # 1873194 26-Sep-2017 16:02
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As per my post in the other thread:

 

 

 

Total number of devices you can connect to the router and pass traffic/use internet etc = 254 (number of hosts in subnet.)

 

Total number of devices you can have on wifi - max 16 per SSID, 32 total across all SSIDs

 

The management table in the router menu holds 32 devices. *The first 32 devices which attached to the router appear in this table*. You can apply rules (mac filter, parental control, port forwards) to any device that appears in this table.

 

Now, prior to B26 firmware, if you had a reboot or dhcp renewal, the devices in the list of 32 change and you can have some drop out. When they dropped, so did the rules. This bug was fixed in B26 which means that even if the device drops off the page the rules still work.

 

The Ultra hub has higher limits (eg 128 devices per radio instead). The limits in the HG659 wont be changed in future

 

 


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