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  Reply # 138561 16-Jun-2008 21:20
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Yes davidcole :-)

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  Reply # 138564 16-Jun-2008 21:43

jesseycy: Hey, who says we want the walled garden to be gone???? Not us, I don't recall any posts to that effect!

In fact, I think most users would agree with me regarding:

1. The new data plan is GREAT! And also...
2. Having Vodafone Live, Bebo, Facebook, and YouTube fenced in as a walled garden and free to browse and watch would be great!!!!


A quick search on Geekzone reveals that every single person who has ever posted here (and, oddly, ever will post here) hates the idea of a walled garden and has demanded its removal.*


The model has evolved from allowing customers to go anywhere and billing them accordingly (to which there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth because "My Johnny went to Stuff and couldn't make the page fit onto his Nokia and now you've sent him a bill for $5") to having a customer base that understands they'll be billed for data use and a large enough content provider pool that is developing sites that work on mobiles that customers can go to these sites, have a good experience and not come away with bill shock.

So that's where we are. Walled garden is gone. If you want content without paying for it, there are new models coming along (content with advertising. Content with sponsorship) and in the mean time there's this, a model which will be eerily familar to those of you who have fixed line broadband in that you don't pay for the website you visit but you pay for the traffic to get there

Hope that helps,

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*exageration for comic effect. Your milage may vary.




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  Reply # 138566 16-Jun-2008 21:48
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PaulBrislen:
A quick search on Geekzone reveals that every single person who has ever posted here (and, oddly, ever will post here) hates the idea of a walled garden and has demanded its removal.*


Nice rebuttal!

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  Reply # 138567 16-Jun-2008 21:48
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a model which will be eerily familar to those of you who have fixed line broadband in that you don't pay for the website you visit but you pay for the traffic to get there


$1/10MB and after that $1/MB isn't quite as "eerily familiar" as $1/GB or similar on fixed line broadband though Tongue out

/me ducks for cover

Seriously, good work, I like this concept and look forward to more of where this came from in the future :-)

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  Reply # 138569 16-Jun-2008 21:51
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Put me down as one pleased that the walled garden is gone, with the provisio that data costs will continue to fall. I just found it too confusing, wondering which sites were included (and not knowing until you got the bill). Also, I wouldn't want to see any government regulations on VOIP access etc (ie: network neutrality). I'd like to see Vodafone (or telecom if you're listening) get some guts and actually start offering VOIP via data, but don't want it forced. Thanks for the info, especially at 10pm :)

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Reply # 138577 16-Jun-2008 22:08
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Yes no more need for a cold walk to check if the ski fields are opening in the mornings can do it all from the mobile.

(accomidation has no phone line)

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  Reply # 138581 16-Jun-2008 22:20
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So why is 10 megs $1, then 1 meg is $1 - the only thing I can equate that to is the crazy charging by some ISPs where you are penelized for using the service more, and the charging that I had to endure back when I needed to juggle 2 talk 300 sims to get the required number of offpeak mins at a sane price, since the overage was way more then the included figures.

Why cant it be $1 for 10 megs then 10c a meg? That would be so much more sensable. Or perhaps 5c a meg after you do 100 or something?

As it is, its just not viable to use it once you hit the 10 megs, and that can happen bloody fast.




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  Reply # 138586 16-Jun-2008 22:49
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richms: So why is 10 megs $1, then 1 meg is $1 - the only thing I can equate that to is the crazy charging by some ISPs where you are penelized for using the service more, and the charging that I had to endure back when I needed to juggle 2 talk 300 sims to get the required number of offpeak mins at a sane price, since the overage was way more then the included figures.

Why cant it be $1 for 10 megs then 10c a meg? That would be so much more sensable. Or perhaps 5c a meg after you do 100 or something?

As it is, its just not viable to use it once you hit the 10 megs, and that can happen bloody fast.

I don't disagree with you.

But these charges will be like this to encourage regular users to opt for other data plans (ie. not casual).

I agree that overcharges should not be exorbitant. And these are pretty close.

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  Reply # 138593 17-Jun-2008 01:09
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I'm totally clueless about this sort of thing - but I'd like to use my laptop and have access to the Internet via Vodafone, by plugging something into a USB port.  Cost would be the most important factor - can people please suggest what sort of device I can buy?  Thanks.


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  Reply # 138594 17-Jun-2008 01:13
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richms: So why is 10 megs $1, then 1 meg is $1 - the only thing I can equate that to is the crazy charging by some ISPs where you are penelized for using the service more, and the charging that I had to endure back when I needed to juggle 2 talk 300 sims to get the required number of offpeak mins at a sane price, since the overage was way more then the included figures.

Why cant it be $1 for 10 megs then 10c a meg? That would be so much more sensable. Or perhaps 5c a meg after you do 100 or something?

As it is, its just not viable to use it once you hit the 10 megs, and that can happen bloody fast.


Maybe you could just use another prepay SIM chip?  Total pain, I'd agree but worth it maybe.  Their effective cost is about $20, so you would get your money back in 2 days of 20MB.

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  Reply # 138595 17-Jun-2008 01:13
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timestyles:

I'm totally clueless about this sort of thing - but I'd like to use my laptop and have access to the Internet via Vodafone, by plugging something into a USB port.



USB - Either a Vodem, or a phone that can work as a USB modem.




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  Reply # 138598 17-Jun-2008 05:13
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timestyles:

I'm totally clueless about this sort of thing - but I'd like to use my laptop and have access to the Internet via Vodafone, by plugging something into a USB port.  Cost would be the most important factor - can people please suggest what sort of device I can buy?  Thanks.



How much would you use it? http://www.vodafone.co.nz/mobile-data/3g-broadband-plans.jsp gives you an idea of pricing if you know roughly how much data you will use.

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  Reply # 138604 17-Jun-2008 06:47
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Overall I like the plan but there a few issues that do concern me.

1) After years of being told that "browsing live! is free" how will customers be advised that this is no longer the case?

2) At the $5 per MB initial rate any music downloads are automatically going to have a $1 "surcharge" added onto them - considering Vodafone love to talk up the success of their music store what sort of impact is it likely to have on their businss model considering it now raises the price of single song downloads quite considerably?

3) All existing data plans now seem to be legacy products and there appears to now be the choice of this new casual plan or a Mobile Broadband plan. Will there be newer plans introduced for On Account data users? Will customers automatically be removed off existing plans or will they continue to have them until they make account changes and then forfeit them?



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adamj: That's not 'optimizing' thats just attaching additional content.

I know for a fact that the Air NZ and Trade Me sites were built by those respective companies, it's not vodafone "optimising" their normal sites.


I think you are getting optimizing and redesigning mixed up. Air NZ and TM are sites specifically redesigned for mobile devices by their respective owners. What Vodafone are doing is taking normal websites (say http://geekzone.co.nz) and putting it through a filter which compresses images and does a bunch of other things to make the page size smaller to use less bandwidth. It also looks from a previous comment that they are also inserting Vodafone specific *links above the content.

*This also raises issues - I wonder if Vodafone will start selling ads against other peoples sites and inserting these on the optimised pages?


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  Reply # 138623 17-Jun-2008 08:49

barnaclebarnes:
adamj: That's not 'optimizing' thats just attaching additional content.

I know for a fact that the Air NZ and Trade Me sites were built by those respective companies, it's not vodafone "optimising" their normal sites.


I think you are getting optimizing and redesigning mixed up. Air NZ and TM are sites specifically redesigned for mobile devices by their respective owners. What Vodafone are doing is taking normal websites (say http://geekzone.co.nz) and putting it through a filter which compresses images and does a bunch of other things to make the page size smaller to use less bandwidth. It also looks from a previous comment that they are also inserting Vodafone specific *links above the content.

*This also raises issues - I wonder if Vodafone will start selling ads against other peoples sites and inserting these on the optimised pages?



No.

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