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  Reply # 145073 8-Jul-2008 21:58
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AppleInsider.com: While readers should take caution in accepting the rumor at face value, at least one other carrier has been forced to loosen its Internet access restrictions after facing similar criticism: TeliaSonera has been pushed into extending its Swedish iPhone plans with an unlimited data option after previously giving even its highest-end iPhone plan just 1GB of data per month.


Sound familiar?

I like the sound of them being "pushed", so with all luck, NZ's next.


Source: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/06/apple_allegedly_sanctioning_rogers_for_iphone_rates.html





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  Reply # 145075 8-Jul-2008 21:59
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Oh yes Mother England VF calling the shots as always




 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 145077 8-Jul-2008 22:03
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No idea if it makes any difference, but have placed feedback on VF's NZ pricing here! Made me feel better (a bit...)

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  Reply # 145078 8-Jul-2008 22:04
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SightUnseen:
CookieMonster:
manhinli:
What about future shipments... when the days of cheaper iPhones could come in?


True. Perhaps they thought they could avoid "being dealt with" by Apple if they pull of an impressive launch? Say, if by some miracle, Vodafone NZ sold out the IPhone nationwide over the coming weekend, I'm sure Apple will forget about this "tiny hiccup". Apple probably don't really care how we feel as long as we keep pulling cash out of our wallets and handing them over the cashier at Vodafone stores.

Apple don't forget.  Ask Nvidia.  Ask ATI (at different times).  Ask Rogers Wireless.  Ask Motorola.  Ask IBM.  

Steve Jobs is not a forgiving guy, and this permeates through the ranks.  He is fanatical about appearances, and Vodafone's so far has been amateurish, and shoddy.  

I put good money on the fact that the higher ups at Apple see the John Campbell interview that aired tonight.


Might be interesting to send the link to John Campbell's massacre to sjobs@apple.com to see if there's any response.




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  Reply # 145081 8-Jul-2008 22:06
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BaaaaD: Lets get this straightt guys,
Mark Rushworth, was called to do a segment on cambell live at 4:30pm to come in the studio  at 7:10 he was not prepared what so ever in that short amounth of time.
 
The prices are resonsable for NZ, as we only have one competitor it was not a choice to lower the plan price due to constrants that the head quaters in UK gave us and reviewed the pricing plan that NZ vodafone came up with.

I'm surprised you actually admit you didn't lower the price due to no competition. 

You don't often hear a company (presuming you're a VF representative) spokesperson say "We aren't making it cheaper because you can't get it anywhere else, suckaz".

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  Reply # 145082 8-Jul-2008 22:07
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kinetic: Word is, Renaissance aren't selling them, they are coming into NZ via Brightpoint, and they supply everyone else.
Selling or distributing?
I see various Magnum Mac stores on Where to buy iPhone 3G



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  Reply # 145084 8-Jul-2008 22:07
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magu:
SightUnseen:
CookieMonster:
manhinli:
What about future shipments... when the days of cheaper iPhones could come in?


True. Perhaps they thought they could avoid "being dealt with" by Apple if they pull of an impressive launch? Say, if by some miracle, Vodafone NZ sold out the IPhone nationwide over the coming weekend, I'm sure Apple will forget about this "tiny hiccup". Apple probably don't really care how we feel as long as we keep pulling cash out of our wallets and handing them over the cashier at Vodafone stores.

Apple don't forget.  Ask Nvidia.  Ask ATI (at different times).  Ask Rogers Wireless.  Ask Motorola.  Ask IBM.  

Steve Jobs is not a forgiving guy, and this permeates through the ranks.  He is fanatical about appearances, and Vodafone's so far has been amateurish, and shoddy.  

I put good money on the fact that the higher ups at Apple see the John Campbell interview that aired tonight.


Might be interesting to send the link to John Campbell's massacre to sjobs@apple.com to see if there's any response.

It's already been pushed to the higher ups at Apple Inc.  I haven't had anything back yet, but the link's been given, and there has been a number of hits from Apple's net range.  I may have something I can share in the morning.  

Although, by all means - send it.  The more swords the better the fight.

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  Reply # 145087 8-Jul-2008 22:09
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carlh: No idea if it makes any difference, but have placed feedback on VF's NZ pricing here! Made me feel better (a bit...)

Me too. Thanks for the idea :)




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  Reply # 145089 8-Jul-2008 22:13
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BaaaaD: Lets get this straightt guys,
Mark Rushworth, was called to do a segment on cambell live at 4:30pm to come in the studio  at 7:10 he was not prepared what so ever in that short amounth of time

Whatever. This is PR 101 - if you're not prepared, then you shouldn't turn up for the interview. If Vodafone thought that it was going to be an "easy" interview - then they (you?) have miscalculated horrendously. 

The prices are resonsable for NZ, as we only have one competitor it was not a choice to lower the plan price due to constrants that the head quaters in UK gave us and reviewed the pricing plan that NZ vodafone came up with.

Your sentence highlights the problem exactly - "as we only have one competitor it was not a choice to lower the plan price". While the environment may provide no real competition and the prices may reflect the historical pricing behaviour in NZ; due to the simultaneous launch worldwide, these costs highlight just how completely *unreasonable* that historical pricing behaviour is. It doesn't matter whether the pricing was signed off by headquarters here, in the UK or Timbuktu - it's still quite obvious that there is a miscalculation about the public's expectations. 

Instead of taking the opportunity to revolutionise the NZ market and use the iPhone (with all of it's hype etc) to leverage grabbing large chunks of the market away from Telecom, by truly lowering the real cost of data and opening up flexibility in the plans - Vodafone (you?) have instead seemingly decided the best thing is to leave the status quo in place and milk as much profit as possible out of the situation before there is any other competitor offering the iPhone. 


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spazz: At one point in the Cambell interview, Mark Rushworth says that their cheapest plan is $50, and the iPhone costs $800and-something on that plan.
Erm, what is he talking about?
He said $50 and $870

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langi27: Does Vodafone actually think the average user can actually afford this?
I don't think VF are targeting the average user. 

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  Reply # 145095 8-Jul-2008 22:22
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Haha, See?
If you remember correctly in the last thread I said that i knew the prices and left you with a Cry and Yell.
I knew about the $80 plan, but I do admit I had no idea about the 250 one.

Oh well, I still feel special for knowing ahead of time Laughing.

Also: let's all go down to Queen street at the same time and collectively boo the 'poor souls' who are actually lining up.

Oh, by the way, that guy selling a place in the iphone line on trademe under "picture of an iphone" has pulled the auction. I guess he felt sorry for the leading guy who seemed to have quite a high auto bid on.


EDIT: I have now got a question: What happens at the end of the contract? Will you get prepay? Or will the just disconnect you, requiring you to get a new plan?




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  Reply # 145106 8-Jul-2008 22:33
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BaaaaD: Lets get this straightt guys,
Mark Rushworth, was called to do a segment on cambell live at 4:30pm to come in the studio  at 7:10 he was not prepared what so ever in that short amounth of time.
 
The prices are resonsable for NZ, as we only have one competitor it was not a choice to lower the plan price due to constrants that the head quaters in UK gave us and reviewed the pricing plan that NZ vodafone came up with.


Hi there,

Your post implys that you work for Vodafone. But you don't sound like an official rep for Vodafone on geekzone. (I apologise if you are the official rep for Vodafone here) But if you're not, and with the current negativity and media interest toward Vodafone handling of the IPhone pricing, I'd be very very carefully about what I post on these forums if I were you.

Just a thought. Wink

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  Reply # 145107 8-Jul-2008 22:34
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drdanick: Haha, See?
If you remember correctly in the last thread I said that i knew the prices and left you with a Cry and Yell.
I knew about the $80 plan, but I do admit I had no idea about the 250 one.

Oh well, I still feel special for knowing ahead of time Laughing.

Also: let's all go down to Queen street at the same time and collectively boo the 'poor souls' who are actually lining up.

Oh, by the way, that guy selling a place in the iphone line on trademe under "picture of an iphone" has pulled the auction. I guess he felt sorry for the leading guy who seemed to have quite a high auto bid on.


EDIT: I have now got a question: What happens at the end of the contract? Will you get prepay? Or will the just disconnect you, requiring you to get a new plan?


Knowing voda, they will either disconnect you. Or just auto resign you.

If you keep paying, they'll keep taking.





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  Reply # 145112 8-Jul-2008 22:36
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MattD:
spazz: At one point in the Cambell interview, Mark Rushworth says that their cheapest plan is $50, and the iPhone costs $800and-something on that plan.
Erm, what is he talking about?
He said $50 and $870


Those numbers are a little deceptive and were only thrown out there to distract JC. $870 is the excl GST price. They are willing to sell you an iPhone at what other countries would consider a prepay price but then force you to sign a min 24 month contract on you choose. The result of this is you would save maybe $200 on TCO over 2 years but missing out on all the data / minutes / text of the $80 plan.

If you look at the number I dont see how anyone would buy the iPhone only to put it on a $50 p/m plan instead of going for the $80 p/m plan.

Any way you look at it - this was a major marketing balls up by Vodafone NZ. They built the hype by delaying and slow releasing information. They should have seen this backlash coming a km away and lowered expectations earlier. I am sure the vodafone board will have something to say about this mess.

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