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MattD
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  #145157 8-Jul-2008 23:27
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imadog: 
Those numbers are a little deceptive and were only thrown out there to distract JC. $870 is the excl GST price.
Agree the numbers are purely a marketing play with the $50 sounding much better than $80 - not sure if to distract JC but a sales pitch to say that there are cheaper options and $80.
(it actually confuses more people as they look at the three promoted plans and see $80, not necessarily digging through the other options).  

Although the $870 calculates to be the $979 less GST, I was not sure if that was the case.  I am not up to speed with NZ GST law but would you not have to mention it was ex GST if quoting a price, and esp if the $50 plan was including GST. 
Also Mark mentioned a couple of numbers to come out with the $870 (which may have been the 879 - which could be the price less $100 handset subsidy on a you choose 20 over 36mths)

Must admit I was not completely surprised about the prices, it was debated in prev thread that the device would be approx $1000 outright and then apply subsidies to get price down.

Was disappointed to see that the subsidies were lean and the data bundles had not improved. 
Agree this was a tremendous opportunity to gain new loyal customers, and retain existing customers, with a value proposition to keep Telecom at bay when they release 3G at end of year.  

There are possibly a lot of expectations that need to realigned, people expecting everything for $50 and a handset for $199 - a little off the mark.  Maybe in time we will get the shift but while VF have a competitive edge on 3G network I would not see that happening too soon.



 
 
 

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  #145167 8-Jul-2008 23:43
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kevinnugent: Normally, I only feel sorry for Kiwi's at Bledisloe Cup time, but I gotta tell you I'm really feeling for you tonight.
Aah you can't say it's payback for the last number of years that the ABs have dominated the Wallabies.. and you guys get Deans!  

BTW would you still move to Christchurch with these prices and the winter temps...?  
Hmm I am still selling myself on that one. 

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#145172 8-Jul-2008 23:52
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Aaroona: 
Subsidy? Is that when you are actually going to get a new one? not on the plan?

I didn't think they subsidized on the plans in the first place. :P (I could totally be wrong here and just pwnd myself.)
I think you may have. Wink

I just thought it would have made more sense (Not Vodafones way of thinking, obviously) To offer a cheaper rate to those who own it already.

pwnd = Properly owned

EDIT: spelling and it sounded wrong..

EDIT2: Looks like I misread your post, sorry. Yeah well, subsidy is for the handseld. But what about those who already own it. I mean, the current plans are paying off the iphone, correct, am I not?

Otherwise, it makes no sense to go buy your own to use it on an iphone plan and you just wasted a hell of a lot of money.

Not sure where you are going there. Undecided  Cannot already own it? 

Subsidised pricing applies if you
a) purchase the iPhone when you signup with an iPhone Plan (three plans)
b) purchase separately and re-sign on a you choose and data bundle (12/24/36 mth)





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  #145175 9-Jul-2008 00:02
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Ahh, so the subsidy on the iPhone only applies if you sign on either of the 3 iPhone plans, or re-sign a You Choose plan? Is it possible to sign a new You Choose plan and get the subsidy (albeit less than the subsidy that the iPhone plans give)?

I'm really keen on getting an iPhone on a You Choose plan rather than the iPhone plans. Do you know if they will allow signing up the iPhone on a You Choose plan at the midnight opening at their Queen St store on Friday 12.01am? I'm totally keen!!

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  #145177 9-Jul-2008 00:12
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Good point.  It is not clear, but you could interpret it to mean that if you walked in and wanted a new plan you could buy an iPhone. Its on the list..

You can use the iPhone on other Vodafone On Account plans (You Choose, talkZone or Corporate). To get Vodafone mobile broadband you will need to sign up to a compatible 200MB or 1GB Broadband plan for mobile. Broadband plans for mobile are on a 24 month term.

You can get a You Choose plan on an iPhone 3G but you will not be able to access the web without a Broadband Plan for Mobile.



Edit: as per your last question, I was advised that to purchase the handset it must be done at one of the three retail stores. (not sure on that one)

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  #145179 9-Jul-2008 00:20
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MattD: Good point.  It is not clear, but you could interpret it to mean that if you walked in and wanted a new plan you could buy an iPhone. Its on the list..

You can use the iPhone on other Vodafone On Account plans (You Choose, talkZone or Corporate). To get Vodafone mobile broadband you will need to sign up to a compatible 200MB or 1GB Broadband plan for mobile. Broadband plans for mobile are on a 24 month term.

You can get a You Choose plan on an iPhone 3G but you will not be able to access the web without a Broadband Plan for Mobile.



Edit: as per your last question, I was advised that to purchase the handset it must be done at one of the three retail stores. (not sure on that one)


Wow... that's awesome, although I think it's appropriate to call in to one of the stores to check on that before queuing up. I've given up calling 777 for more info, as they just seem as uninformed as I am. Yell

I'm also wanting to find out about the subsidy that I will get for signing up to a You Choose plan for the iPhone 3G.

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  #145180 9-Jul-2008 00:23
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BaaaaD: The prices are resonsable for NZ, as we only have one competitor it was not a choice to lower the plan price due to constrants that the head quaters in UK gave us and reviewed the pricing plan that NZ vodafone came up with.


I call bull****. As if you know anything about the 'constraints' placed by UK HQ. They leave NZ VF to their own devices. VF takes its orders from the shareholders, then the board. Period.


Bonkiebonks, assume the regular Choose rebates unless otherwise informed.



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  #145182 9-Jul-2008 00:40
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bonkiebonks: Ahh, so the subsidy on the iPhone only applies if you sign on either of the 3 iPhone plans, or re-sign a You Choose plan? Is it possible to sign a new You Choose plan and get the subsidy (albeit less than the subsidy that the iPhone plans give)?

I'm really keen on getting an iPhone on a You Choose plan rather than the iPhone plans. Do you know if they will allow signing up the iPhone on a You Choose plan at the midnight opening at their Queen St store on Friday 12.01am? I'm totally keen!!


Expect to pay $1000 for the phone if you want to put it on the you choose plan. Locking you in for 24 months @ $50 p/m. I would suggest the $80 p/m plan and getting the subsidized phone with more minutes / data / text for only slightly more over the two year contract.

If you can't afford it, do not commit to an expensive two year plan. theres no backing out once youve signed the contract and its a lot of money if you don't have a lot of disposable income.

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  #145184 9-Jul-2008 03:28
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Another reason why I love living in the UK and will be here indefinitely

O2 75 for iPhone
18 months
3000 mins 500 texts
£75 a month
Tariff details
Charges outside your allowance Charges outside your allowance
Footnotes Footnotes
  • 3000 UK minutes and 500 UK texts each month
  • Unlimited data and Wi-Fi (worth £15 a month)
  • Unlimited visual voicemail
  • Cheaper roaming rates with International Traveller Service (ITS)
  • Free itemised online billing

16GB and 8GB will be free on 18 months - all existing iPhone customers may upgrade without paying a penalty


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  #145191 9-Jul-2008 06:53
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imadog: . They built the hype by delaying and slow releasing information. They should have seen this backlash coming a km away and lowered expectations earlier. I am sure the vodafone board will have something to say about this mess.


Why? People are already queueing for the device and this Friday I we'll see Vodafone sell large numbers of the devices to many happy customers.

People who are signing up for an iPhone plan are receiving better value for money on their montly plans than many other VF users - what is the problem here?

This does not change the fact that VF's pricing as a network in NZ is very high overall across the board - but this is not what I'm commenting on here. The main point is that the iPhone pricing is comparable to many networks overseas and is certainly by no means the most expensive in the world. It never was designed for a $20 per month user and probably never will be. Don't blame VF for that - Ask apple who their target market is and ask Apple why they are going down the path they are with their 1st gen and now 2nd gen models business models.





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  #145193 9-Jul-2008 07:09
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JoeBloggs:
BaaaaD: The prices are resonsable for NZ, as we only have one competitor it was not a choice to lower the plan price due to constrants that the head quaters in UK gave us and reviewed the pricing plan that NZ vodafone came up with.


I call bull****. As if you know anything about the 'constraints' placed by UK HQ. They leave NZ VF to their own devices. VF takes its orders from the shareholders, then the board. Period.


Bonkiebonks, assume the regular Choose rebates unless otherwise informed.

Wrong.  

Take the new billing system, for example.  Vodafone Asia Pacific had a choice down to three, chose one, and were directed by Newbury to take another of HO's choosing.  In many respects Vodafone are seen as a test bed for the Vodafone Group, so while Vodafone is left to run fairly free, HO definitely do have a say reasonably frequently, and often on the big stuff.

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Check this out. This is what happened to the greedy Canadian outlet Rogers.
Lets hope they do the same as punishment


Spat with Rogers leaves Canadian Apple stores without iPhones

Apple, disgusted with Rogers Wireless for dumping egregious service plans on would-be iPhone 3G buyers, has decided that its Canadian retail stores will have no part in helping the carrier market the new handset to customers, AppleInsider has learned.

As a result, Canadian Apple Retail stores won't be selling the new 3G touchscreen phones come Friday, representatives for the Cupertino-based company said during a private conference call on Monday evening. Instead, it will be up to Rogers and its partner Fido to lock subscribers into steep 3-year contracts that require a minimum monthly payment of $60 for just 150 minutes, 75 text messages, and 400MB of data.

Calls to Canadian Apple retail stores early Tuesday confirmed the move once over. Although the majority of the of stores contacted by AppleInsider said they were still unsure whether they'd be selling the new iPhone, one representative ultimately confirmed that Rogers and its partner stores will be the only place to buy iPhone 3G come Friday. Canadian Apple retail stores will, however, have demo units on hand the same day.


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  #145207 9-Jul-2008 07:52
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krysiszone: Check this out. This is what happened to the greedy Canadian outlet Rogers.
Lets hope they do the same as punishment


Spat with Rogers leaves Canadian Apple stores without iPhones

 

Apple, disgusted with Rogers Wireless for dumping egregious service plans on would-be iPhone 3G buyers, has decided that its Canadian retail stores will have no part in helping the carrier market the new handset to customers, AppleInsider has learned.

As a result, Canadian Apple Retail stores won't be selling the new 3G touchscreen phones come Friday, representatives for the Cupertino-based company said during a private conference call on Monday evening. Instead, it will be up to Rogers and its partner Fido to lock subscribers into steep 3-year contracts that require a minimum monthly payment of $60 for just 150 minutes, 75 text messages, and 400MB of data.

Calls to Canadian Apple retail stores early Tuesday confirmed the move once over. Although the majority of the of stores contacted by AppleInsider said they were still unsure whether they'd be selling the new iPhone, one representative ultimately confirmed that Rogers and its partner stores will be the only place to buy iPhone 3G come Friday. Canadian Apple retail stores will, however, have demo units on hand the same day.

 


As I said earlier.  Don't piss off Apple.  They have no qualms with doling out punitive measures.  

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  #145209 9-Jul-2008 07:57
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If I walked into a VF store today and purchased a N95 on a 24 month contract on the equivilent 24 month 250 contract of 600 anytime minutes, 1GB data and 600 SMS's it would cost me $287.85 per month. I would also receive $400 discount off the $1399 pricepoint of the N95 which would bring it down to $999. Entering into the same contract with the iPhone I could pay $199.

ZOMG111 Vodafone are ripping off Symbian users b1gt1me. Lets organise a march down Queen St!

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  #145222 9-Jul-2008 08:15
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iPod have always sold reasonably well here in NZ. Perhaps some of the types with more memory have always been a little higher priced but no one seemed to mind greatly; the Touch and the 80G versions sold like hotcakes.

 Apple's always had a fairly good reputation here - until Vodafone....
It only takes one greedy company to take a great product and ruin it's name by trying to gouge the customer.

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