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  Reply # 145225 9-Jul-2008 08:29
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BaaaaD: The prices are resonsable for NZ, as we only have one competitor it was not a choice to lower the plan price due to constrants that the head quaters in UK gave us and reviewed the pricing plan that NZ vodafone came up with.


I call bull****. As if you know anything about the 'constraints' placed by UK HQ. They leave NZ VF to?their own devices. VF takes its orders from the shareholders, then the board. Period.


Bonkiebonks, assume the regular Choose rebates unless otherwise informed.

Wrong. ?

Take the new billing system, for example. ?Vodafone Asia Pacific had a choice down to three, chose one, and were directed by Newbury to take another of HO's choosing. ?In many respects Vodafone are seen as a test bed for the Vodafone Group, so while Vodafone is left to run fairly free, HO definitely do have a say reasonably frequently, and often on the big stuff.


Vodafone NZ's shareholder is Vodafone Group. If VFNZ takes its orders from its shareholders, then it takes its orders from Vodafone Group.

Vodafone Group has global contracts with its vendors, to allow it to get the best bulk prices. It wouldn't be unreasonable for Vodafone Group to require its subsidiaries to buy through those contracts to keep prices down.




 

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  Reply # 145227 9-Jul-2008 08:35
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It's not the price of the iPhone that turns me off it, it's the cost of the Data plans in New Zealand which make using it to it's full potential in NZ totally uneconomic.

 Given the phone subsidies for a 24 month $250 1GB plan there must be a large profit margin built in to the plan to cover the subsidy BUT if you want keep 1GB of data you still pay that premium after the phone is paid for - ie after 24months.

Like wise if you paid full price for the phone you still have to pay the ripp off data rates with the phone subsidy premium built in to get any decent allowance.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 145232 9-Jul-2008 08:46
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suthland: It's not the price of the iPhone that turns me off it, it's the cost of the Data plans in New Zealand which make using it to it's full potential in NZ totally uneconomic.

 Given the phone subsidies for a 24 month $250 1GB plan there must be a large profit margin built in to the plan to cover the subsidy BUT if you want keep 1GB of data you still pay that premium after the phone is paid for - ie after 24months.

Like wise if you paid full price for the phone you still have to pay the ripp off data rates with the phone subsidy premium built in to get any decent allowance.

I agree. I would happily pay what they are asking for the handset.

However, I maintain that you need unlimited data access in order to make proper use of a device like that - you should not be worrying about whether you are racking up extra charges every time you check your location on Maps or whatever (although if it is truly using the GPS sat network, it should be able to do that without using any of your data allowance, just like my Garmin Nuvi does, I guess).

If ever a product deserved unlimited data, this is it.

I think my ideal plan would be 120 minutes, 100 texts (international ones) and unlimited data. For that I would pay $100 a month.





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  Reply # 145240 9-Jul-2008 09:11
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Aaroona:
bonkiebonks:
Aaroona:

Another question I would like to add to the box:

If you have bought an iphone to use with your existing plan, use it for say 6 months.
and want to move to an offical iphone plan. Do they give you a special price because you already OWN the iphone? or are they greedy bastards like i assume and shaft you all the same?


The FAQ says, you won't get the subsidy since you have used the phone on a You Choose plan already.

Vodafone:

If you purchase an iPhone 3G, use it on You Choose plan then move to an iPhone plan, you will not be eligible for the iPhone 3G handset subsidy.


Subsidy? Is that when you are actually going to get a new one? not on the plan?

I didn't think they subsidized on the plans in the first place. :P (I could totally be wrong here and just pwnd myself.)

I just thought it would have made more sense (Not Vodafones way of thinking, obviously) To offer a cheaper rate to those who own it already.



pwnd = Properly owned

EDIT: spelling and it sounded wrong..

EDIT2: Looks like I misread your post, sorry. Yeah well, subsidy is for the handseld. But what about those who already own it. I mean, the current plans are paying off the iphone, correct, am I not?

Otherwise, it makes no sense to go buy your own to use it on an iphone plan and you just wasted a hell of a lot of money.


To buy the iPhone without an iPhone plan you'll have to pay the full price of the handset. Even if you buy it attached to some other plan (like YouChoose).

EDIT: Unless, of course, you're re-signing a plan, in which case you get up to $400 subisidized to buy a handset.




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  Reply # 145251 9-Jul-2008 09:30
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I think the elephant in the room is that 250 megs is nowhere near enough data.  Vodafone are defending themselves based on the 'affordable' $80 plan, but they are going to get murdered when 90% of people on the $80 plan get charged AT LEAST $25 in data overage.

I base this on my own 'moderate' usage of the 1G iPhone: http://www.ben.geek.nz/the-elephant-in-the-vodaroom/

Vodafone are going to be talking people off the ledge on these plans for a long time yet.

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  Reply # 145255 9-Jul-2008 09:39
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Thats exactly it, I would pay these prices fro unlimited or nearly unlimited data (5GB+). It was ridiculous of the guy on campbelll live to talk about downloading video and music on this device when you would be able to get bugger all on 250MB!

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  Reply # 145261 9-Jul-2008 09:43
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haha i was quoted on ZM before about not being able to have the iphone on prepay.. woop woop

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  Reply # 145283 9-Jul-2008 10:17
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I have the old 2G iphone which has been unlocked to be used in NZ.  I'm using vodafone with broadband plan.  Can I update my software without the latest vodafone 3G iphone plan?  I have never updated my software since it's hacked or it'll be locked again.

Anyone knows about this?  Thanks.

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  Reply # 145286 9-Jul-2008 10:26
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re: hacking iPhone 1.0 with 2.0 firmware.

Probably.  The community has been working with the betas as they come out.  If they don't change the security measures going into the final release, the hack will be immediate.  Otherwise, it might take a while.

watch: http://www.ziphone.org





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  Reply # 145287 9-Jul-2008 10:29
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Thanks.  :)  I'll find out more from there.

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  Reply # 145298 9-Jul-2008 11:26
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sbiddle: If I walked into a VF store today and purchased a N95 on a 24 month contract on the equivilent 24 month 250 contract of 600 anytime minutes, 1GB data and 600 SMS's it would cost me $287.85 per month. I would also receive $400 discount off the $1399 pricepoint of the N95 which would bring it down to $999. Entering into the same contract with the iPhone I could pay $199.


Steve, agree with all comments to date, a lot of people with unrealistic expectations have been extremely disappointed. These plans are an improvement maybe not spectacular but not a step backwards. What would be great it to have ability to vary the data sizes, yet remain on the same voice/txt volume (bit of flexibility) Eg someone not making a lot of calls but would want the 1GB data.


The base iPhone plan was only $5 more expensive than the combination of a YouChoose 60 and 200GB data... and you get an extra 540 TXT, the 120mins are anytime (not 60anytime/60night) and 50MB more. Phone extra minutes went down from 0.99 to 0.69 and Additional cost per MB down from 0.50 to 0.10. Also you have a $430 iPhone subsidy (vs $100)

More realistically compare it with a You Choose 120 and TXT600 at 72.90 + 29.95 for data with a handset subsidy of $170. (Same per min charges of 0.69) Therefore over 24mths this would have been $808.40 MORE expensive than new plan. ($33.63 month)

Now when you look at the iPhone1GB there is a big improvement on existing You Choose and Data combination. As with your N95 example to match the shape of plan it would be a You Choose 600, 600TXT Addon, and 1GB data .... 224.95 + 12.95 + 49.95 = 287.85 and you get a Subsidy of $400. iPhone1GB is $250 with a $780 subsidy. Therefore over 24months the contract using existing plans would have cost you $1288.40 MORE than the new iPhone plan (53.68 mth)

Back to the N95, and the grass being greener over the ditch.... maybe we will find people wailing here too -
In Aus the N95 is only $749 RRP and FREE on $49 MaxiCap with $310 worth calls and data.... hmmmm

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  Reply # 145301 9-Jul-2008 11:33
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A question for Vodafone - since the plans represent better value than existing You Choose plans can we sign up on one of these if we don't have an iPhone?


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suthland: It's not the price of the iPhone that turns me off it, it's the cost of the Data plans in New Zealand which make using it to it's full potential in NZ totally uneconomic.

Given the phone subsidies for a 24 month $250 1GB plan there must be a large profit margin built in to the plan to cover the subsidy BUT if you want keep 1GB of data you still pay that premium after the phone is paid for - ie after 24months.

Like wise if you paid full price for the phone you still have to pay the ripp off data rates with the phone subsidy premium built in to get any decent allowance.

Suthland, you and Ben are spot on, in that the 'elephant in the room' is the woeful data volumes.  Some flexibility in iPhone plans would alleviate this issue.  Although you have flexibility in the existing plans (you choose and data) you just don't get the benefit of the reduced prices of plan and the higher subsidy.


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  Reply # 145304 9-Jul-2008 11:40
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sbiddle:

A question for Vodafone - since the plans represent better value than existing You Choose plans can we sign up on one of these if we don't have an iPhone?



IIRC, they've stated on their site that these plans are for those with an Iphone only.

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Aussie plans... 



$69
Vodafone Cap Contract for Apple® iPhone™ 3G
(Coming Soon)
iPhone 8GB for $189 or iPhone 16GB for $309 includes $310 of talk, TXT & more plus 250MB data per month
$99
MyBusiness Cap for Apple® iPhone™ 3G
(Coming Soon)
iPhone 8GB for $99 or iPhone 16GB for $219 includes $600 of talk, TXT & more plus 500MB data per month
$99 Vodafone Cap Contract for Apple® iPhone™ 3G 
iPhone 8GB for $99 or iPhone 16GB for $219 includes $600 of talk, TXT & more plus 500MB data per month
(Coming Soon)
$119 Vodafone Cap Contract for Apple® iPhone™ 3G 
iPhone 8GB for $59 or iPhone 16GB for $179 includes $800 of talk, TXT & more plus 500MB data per month
(Coming Soon)
$169 Vodafone Cap Contract for Apple® iPhone™ 3G 
iPhone 8GB for FREE or iPhone 16GB for $89 includes $1200 of talk, TXT & more plus 1GB data per month
(Coming Soon)
$69 MyBusiness Cap for Apple® iPhone™ 3G 
iPhone 8GB for $189 or iPhone 16GB for $309 includes $310 of talk, TXT & more plus 250MB data per month
(Coming Soon)
$119 MyBusiness Cap for Apple® iPhone™ 3G 
iPhone 8GB for $59 or iPhone 16GB for $179 includes $800 of talk, TXT & more plus 500MB data per month
(Coming Soon)
$169 MyBusiness Cap for Apple® iPhone™ 3G 
iPhone 8GB for FREE or iPhone 16GB for $89 includes $1200 of talk, TXT & more plus 1GB data per month
(Coming Soon)

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