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  Reply # 145451 9-Jul-2008 15:01
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JoeBloggs: 
MattD: Numbers have been estimated a number of times (USD173)
My guess is cost to VFNZ would be $350-400 NZD

A little higher, plus Apple still has a revenue stipulation which I'm unclear about.

Thanks ;-) 
Less than $500 was where my head was originally.. but dropped a little.  

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  Reply # 145457 9-Jul-2008 15:05
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SightUnseen: I've put my piece on the pricing here

What's written may not be to everyone's liking, but that's to be expected.  Hopefully it'll offer a little insight into the pricing of the device.

Great, thanks for that.  Hopefully might quieten those who seem to expect a $199 device on $40 a month plan.... and plenty of data


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  Reply # 145498 9-Jul-2008 16:00
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iPhone Collateral and information

We appreciate that your store may be receiving many customer enquiries regarding the iPhone, however, please ensure that no information is printed or pricing lists are created in-store for our customers. We can discuss pricing with customers, but any printed material must be printed by the customer.

To provide any printed material to customers that is not Apple approved puts Vodafone in breach of our commercial agreement with Apple and therefore our distribution at risk



Haha, it appears Apple is both very aware of their image and very stringent in this department. I wonder how Vodafone appears through all this?


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  Reply # 145502 9-Jul-2008 16:08
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Hardware subsidies are defined BY EACH STORE, so each Vodafone/First Mobile/DS Wireless/etc store is likely to have a different offer.

Their web site does quote hard figures - are you sure about that? Or is it the case that Vodafone's own retail stores follow the web site, but other retailers don't have to?? 

Has anyone any more information on policy for hardware subsidies on other than iPhone plans?

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  Reply # 145520 9-Jul-2008 16:33
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You'll get the usual Choose subsidies though some retail stores may cut into their phone margin as well as their contract commission margin and subsidise the sale price further. You won't see these better-than-usual deals via regular channels on the Iphone for some time, at least until supply becomes more available. The best subsidy you'll receive so far is via the Iphone plans.

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  Reply # 145521 9-Jul-2008 16:34
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MattD:
s.joseph: You can if you buy the phone outright and put a prepay sim in it.

still to be confirmed


As per Vodafone's answers, you can use a Prepay on this handset. It will have voice and SMS only, since data uses a special APN not available to Prepay customers.




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  Reply # 145529 9-Jul-2008 16:46
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freitasm: since data uses a special APN not available to Prepay customers.


Forgive my ignorance, but can you not just change the APN setting in the phone to a standard one?  Or is it perhaps not possible to mess with such settings on an iPhone.




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  Reply # 145531 9-Jul-2008 16:47
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retardedboyz:
s.joseph: No vf will not sublock them, Not in NZ!


I agree. They don't need to. Everybody has to sign a contract before they can walk out of the store with an iPhone. Though a prepay sim can be used on the phone, the monthly fee still has to be paid.

Question
         

I am a Vodafone Prepay customers – can I get iPhone 3G on Prepay

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No, iPhone will not be available on Prepay.

You need to have subscribed to either an iPhone plan or alternatively a standard On account plan (You Choose, talkZone, or Corporate) with a compatible Broadband plan for mobiles.



It only states that the iPhone is not available on Prepay, not that the Prepay SIM card won't work on the phone.

The key part may be the "with a compatible" in their last sentence - I don't know if data is available on pre-pay sims? If it is not, their statement might actually mean that you cannot use the phone unless you have a sim that allows mobile broadband - i.e. one on a contract rather than pre-pay.





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  Reply # 145532 9-Jul-2008 16:47
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JoeBloggs: You'll get the usual Choose subsidies though some retail stores may cut into their phone margin as well as their contract commission margin and subsidise the sale price further. You won't see these better-than-usual deals via regular channels on the Iphone for some time, at least until supply becomes more available. The best subsidy you'll receive so far is via the Iphone plans.

OK. So if I understand what you are saying, some stores might at some time in the future do even better that the quoted subsidies at: 

http://tinyurl.com/6xlftr
But for now they should do at least this good ?



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  Reply # 145537 9-Jul-2008 16:52
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freitasm:
MattD:
s.joseph: You can if you buy the phone outright and put a prepay sim in it.

still to be confirmed


As per Vodafone's answers, you can use a Prepay on this handset. It will have voice and SMS only, since data uses a special APN not available to Prepay customers.

How does that work with this:


Question
 

I am a Vodafone Prepay customers – can I get iPhone 3G on Prepay

 Answer
 

No, iPhone will not be available on Prepay.

You need to have subscribed to either an iPhone plan or alternatively a standard On account plan (You Choose, talkZone, or Corporate) with a compatible Broadband plan for mobiles.

View iPhone plans

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  Reply # 145538 9-Jul-2008 16:52
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That's right jmcollis.

Please note everyone that the extra data subsidies are only available at the time of resigning or creating a new contract.




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  Reply # 145579 9-Jul-2008 17:52
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iPhone Collateral and information

We appreciate that your store may be receiving many customer enquiries regarding the iPhone, however, please ensure that no information is printed or pricing lists are created in-store for our customers. We can discuss pricing with customers, but any printed material must be printed by the customer.

To provide any printed material to customers that is not Apple approved puts Vodafone in breach of our commercial agreement with Apple and therefore our distribution at risk



Haha, it appears Apple is both very aware of their image and very stringent in this department. I wonder how Vodafone appears through all this?


Vodafone could learn a lot from Apple's marketing machine.  That isn't necessarily a dig at Vodafone either (last night's interview and pricing debacle notwithstanding) as most companies could.

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  Reply # 145687 9-Jul-2008 20:12
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freitasm: since data uses a special APN not available to Prepay customers.


Forgive my ignorance, but can you not just change the APN setting in the phone to a standard one?  Or is it perhaps not possible to mess with such settings on an iPhone.

There is no provision in the iPhone UI to change the APN, at least in iPhone OS 2.0 beta 8.

AFAICT, Vodafone could quite easily lock out prepay sims from being used in iPhones without any need to mod the handset itself. The phone's IMEI is sent to the base station during sign-on, so all they have to do is lock out any Apple-issued IMEI that attempts to log on to the network with a prepay SIM. Whether they will bother doing this is another matter. 

EDIT: The APN is editable on v1 iPhones sold into Germany and France (see http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307463). And of course, if you have pwned the phone (with e.g. the soon-to-be-released pwnage tool v2.0) then you can edit the APN list on the phone firmware. The APN list is customise by carrier and is in the filesystem at /System/Library/Carrier Bundles/.

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  Reply # 145688 9-Jul-2008 20:13
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freitasm: As per Vodafone's answers, you can use a Prepay on this handset. It will have voice and SMS only, since data uses a special APN not available to Prepay customers.
That's great news. I was told by a CSR that it would work but I was waiting to see it officially confirmed.

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  Reply # 145699 9-Jul-2008 20:25
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I have prepay. 3g nokia. Can use data.

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