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  Reply # 145490 9-Jul-2008 15:52
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I see. This thread was not posted when I made my post, good to know, but it would seem that having the iPhone on prepay is still fairly pointless, IMO.

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  Reply # 145577 9-Jul-2008 17:48
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Madmax77:
Aaroona:
genuineguy:

Iphone 3G is a great phone. It's vodafones pricing in nz which is hurting me. Guys we have waited long for the phone to come in. Why not wait couple of months more before buying it. Let vodafone hold that stock longer. The Prices will come down as some new phone will be released soon and Aplle iphone 3g will not be hot then.  Even Parallel import phone will be here sometime soon. Atleast i have the patience to wait. Do you?



I sort of do. But I hate using the crappy phone i have now. lol.

Im in the same boat as you. I can have my iphone for as low as $40 a month with no data. (I'll just use wifi at home, as its not IMPORTANT to me)

Or $70 with 200mb data.

I mean, even thats still cheaper than the cheapest iphone plan, haha.

But If I do buy, im going to Tosh with my money. Vodafone can shove it.
As for iphone plans? No way. I will do it my way. Keep my existing one and pay up front. Save me money ranging from 1000-5000.

What's the point in shelling out for the iPhone 3G if you don't want data? Your original iPhone with version 2.0 software will do everything the iPhone 3G will do minus fast 3G data (irrelevant to you since you don't want data, only Wi-Fi) and built in GPS which in your case will be useless as you don't want mobile data. You can sit at home on your wi-fi connection and see where you are...but that's about it.

What exactly do you intend using your iPhone 3G for? Showing off to your mates? You'd be better off with an iPod Touch...who'd know the difference?



Dont get me wrong, i would absolutely LOVE to have data.
However,
Based on the cost. Right now isnt the best time. But as time progresses it looks more and more like the 1st gen will be chosen instead.





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  Reply # 145634 9-Jul-2008 18:58
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So whats the deal, who's organising this protest, how many people are actually coming and are people going to bring some protest signs. 

 

Me and a mate will turn up with a banner if everyone else it. 

 

And the people mocking people for protesting about a phone... Dude, I'm a geek, what am I meant to protest about? Cheese?





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  Reply # 145867 10-Jul-2008 03:08
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acidbaby:
magu:
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PoLiGnAc: i disagree that the pricing is reasonable. $80 is a lot of buying power in new zealand and the rates we get charged, compared to overseas such as UK and even asian countries are just absurd. Theres heaps of places to compare what we are paying for against what we have receive. 80 per month on 250mb and 120 mins are just plain insulting.



Why don't you go live there then? I disagree with the buying power comment, it's all quite relative.. there are certain things we get cheap here in NZ eg. rent, food etc. so we have more disposable income to blow on silly gadgets :)


Sorry to barge in, but if you think rent and food are cheap in NZ, what year are you living in?


2008 buddy, you been to UK/Europe lately? Cost of living is extermly high compared to here, even with our latest increases in our cheese prices lol

Maybe the Govt over there subsidises these kind of gadgets to make an hour trip on the tube more bearable every morning so they can get people to go to work lol.



I am currently doing my OE in uk, and no i am not in london. The living cost here compared to NZ is lower if you live outside of London.

But anyhow, i still prefer living in nz, despite iphone disaster.


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  Reply # 145885 10-Jul-2008 07:37
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I guess im one of the ones that maybe missed the point..  I realise that people are upset over the "cost to obtain an iphone" but where is the problem?  People comment, including the particularily bad journalism from the herald staff, about the "$6000 cost to obtain it over the 2 year period" but why not put things into perspective?

Cost outright - $979

[b]Plans[/b]

iPhone 1 Gig                        You Choose 600

$250 / Month                       $225 / Month
600 Included Minutes            600 Included Minutes
600 Included Txts                 0 Included Txts
1 Gig of Data                        0 Data


Additional usage                   Additional Usage
.53c / minute                        .53c / Minute
.03c / Meg                            N/A

Save $780 off the handset    Save $400 off a handset


Hopefully the formatting stays.. =P

But where is the problem?  From looking at that, the iphone plan on offer FAR exceeds the currently available alternative.

Yeah, i guess if you dont want to look at the plans, the cost to buy the handset outright is a bit more expensive than the US alternative (US$599 = Approx NZ$750).  But the plans are awesome imo.

(and no, i dont sell iphones) ;)


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  Reply # 145940 10-Jul-2008 09:27
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Darkcyric:


I guess im one of the ones that maybe missed the point..  I realise that people are upset over the "cost to obtain an iphone" but where is the problem?  People comment, including the particularily bad journalism from the herald staff, about the "$6000 cost to obtain it over the 2 year period" but why not put things into perspective?

Cost outright - $979

[b]Plans[/b]

iPhone 1 Gig                        You Choose 600

$250 / Month                       $225 / Month
600 Included Minutes            600 Included Minutes
600 Included Txts                 0 Included Txts
1 Gig of Data                        0 Data


Additional usage                   Additional Usage
.53c / minute                        .53c / Minute
.03c / Meg                            N/A

Save $780 off the handset    Save $400 off a handset


Hopefully the formatting stays.. =P

But where is the problem?  From looking at that, the iphone plan on offer FAR exceeds the currently available alternative.

Yeah, i guess if you dont want to look at the plans, the cost to buy the handset outright is a bit more expensive than the US alternative (US$599 = Approx NZ$750).  But the plans are awesome imo.

(and no, i dont sell iphones) ;)



The problem is not the pricing, is what you get in terms of data. And it's not just for the iPhone, it's Vodafone's absurd data charges in general.

But of course people started realizing it now because the iPhone has media coverage, and Vodafone is now finally being exposed for their data charges compared to other countries.

Obtaining the iPhone is not the hard part. Keeping it is (data wise).




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  Reply # 145958 10-Jul-2008 09:55
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But if they give up too much data to cheaply won't people just run voip cleints meaning they will stop making cell calls. I know I would. And people will stop texting opting instead for an IM clinet. Of course it's just a matter of time before all this happens but I suppose telcos are wanting to slow uptake.




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  Reply # 146270 10-Jul-2008 18:01
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As part of holding you by the short ones, I believe Vodafone also bans the use of VOIP as part of the data stream.  I'm pretty sure I read that as part of the mobile broadband plan.

As a senior geek, I'm getting a bit long in the tooth to be toting banners in Queen Street at midnight but if you young'uns are up for it you might just make quite a splash.  Remember that this is the first sale of the 3G in all the whole wide world and anything out of the ordinary could easily be reported overseas – certainly as far as both Sydney and Cupertino.

I've just read a Canadian newspaper columnist complaining of similar high cost of data contracts there but extending to THREE years, so any stories of protest here may be picked up in North America. His conclusion:

Will I buy one for myself? Not on your life. Don't get me wrong — I like the iPhone, I want an iPhone, but I can't justify a three year contract with anyone at any price. Technology can change a lot in three years. I already pay for high speed Internet and TV service. How many monthly fees can one man stand?

In a fight between groceries and cellphone data plans, food wins. Get back to me when I can have an iPhone with free Call Display and unlimited data on a pay-as-you-go plan.

Me, too.

Here's another banner for anyone that's going:



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  Reply # 146289 10-Jul-2008 18:34
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So before i leave, who is actually attending tonight?







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  Reply # 146295 10-Jul-2008 18:44
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Aaroona: So before i leave, who is actually attending tonight?

With you (in spirit).

Are you taking a sign along?

You know, I've love nothing better than for a proper stunt to have been arranged for this night Tongue out

Imagine someone dressed up in a giant cuddly Vodafone cellphone suit, hugging people in line and giving it to them "doggie style".

Or 1st in line buying it and then smashing it in front of the rest of the crowd (like that PS3 stunt smash my PS3).

Or of course that flash-mob.

Oh well Cool

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  Reply # 146310 10-Jul-2008 19:01
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ahmad:
Aaroona: So before i leave, who is actually attending tonight?

With you (in spirit).

Are you taking a sign along?

You know, I've love nothing better than for a proper stunt to have been arranged for this night Tongue out

Imagine someone dressed up in a giant cuddly Vodafone cellphone suit, hugging people in line and giving it to them "doggie style".

Or 1st in line buying it and then smashing it in front of the rest of the crowd (like that PS3 stunt smash my PS3).

Or of course that flash-mob.

Oh well Cool


Haha, you wouldnt want to buy it then smash it. You would be tied into a two year contract haha.

OH BTW, I wonder where we could get a vodafone suite ;)





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  Reply # 146317 10-Jul-2008 19:15
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hey all. i would have loved to have organised something fun for tonight, but simply had no time with work being so busy. i'll probably pop down to the lambtom quay store anyway, just to see what's going on. any GZ'ers should feel free to say hi if you spot me... here's my Facebook profile so you know who to look for ;) http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=517143578

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  Reply # 146321 10-Jul-2008 19:24
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magu:
The problem is not the pricing, is what you get in terms of data. And it's not just for the iPhone, it's Vodafone's absurd data charges in general.

But of course people started realizing it now because the iPhone has media coverage, and Vodafone is now finally being exposed for their data charges compared to other countries.

Obtaining the iPhone is not the hard part. Keeping it is (data wise).


The thing is though, with "journalism" touting the iphone costing $6k without actually comparing apples with apples.  And it seems the NZ public are just jumping on the bandwagon.

Yes, we pay more for data than most other (larger) countries do.  The question is why? 
Because they have more competition?  Probably.  Because they have more subscribers?  Definatley.

The point is that people are NOW jumping up and down and planning "protests" against what is actually a BETTER deal than what has been available for a long time.  Its amazing what the media and terrible journalism can do to the public state of mind.

(Note that im not saying that the deal that has been presented is GOOD in comparison to other countries, just that it is BETTER than what we have previously had).



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  Reply # 146324 10-Jul-2008 19:33
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Darkcyrik,

You have made valid points.

Unfortunately a lot of people on the band wagon feel deceived by Vodafone over the affordability of the iPhone. The implication has all along been that "you too can afford an iPhone!".

IMO if they had just come out and not tried to market this to the masses, instead promoting the fact that new iPhone plans represent up to a 22% discount on legacy plans, people would have been less annoyed.

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