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  Reply # 158795 21-Aug-2008 19:54
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maccrazy, metime, no. Unless the store you purchased it from is able to sign VF contracts and is also willing to refund you the difference upon contract activation, you will not receive a discount via VF directly.

gmball, I believe you cannot currently use an iPhone plan with the family plan. You cannot even be a member of someone elses family group. However the functionality is in the works and I don't think you'll have to wait long.

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  Reply # 158829 21-Aug-2008 22:40
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Madmax77:
How do you get it if your nearest VF store is a 300km round trip?!
I'm guessing if you are 300kms away from the nearest Vodafone store...then you probably live in the middle of no-where, which means the iPhone 3G is most likely not the best device for you...it really does work best with 3G coverage. Perhaps you should wait for 900MHz in your area and get a device that is compatible with that (iPhone is not)

I actually live 85 Km from Wellington, the nearest VF store (but my point was really intended to illustrate the foolishness of offering 4 plans on line and making the customer go all the way to the shop for the 5th one!).

Like many potential users, I have not the slightest idea if the VF network hereabouts is 3G - there are 2 mobile towers visible (with binoculars) from the front patio and I get full signal on my Nokia VF. 

I do travel a lot in my business, so the wi-fi and 3G to keep in touch would be handy (although I couldn't locate a single public wi-fi spot in Taupo a couple of months ago!).





 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 158831 21-Aug-2008 23:03
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compost, 7-JUL-2008 23:13: I think it's a matter of weeks before the pricing drops dramatically - maybe even a matter of days


I'm no telco industry guru. It wasn't that hard to pick really. Prices rise to meet demand, and the initial demand was off the scale. Now that the hardbacks have sold out, it's time to put the paperbacks on the shelves.

Let's see how I go with some more predictions:

A lot of the punters who were so angry that they swore they would never buy anything from Vodafone again will slink back quietly as the iphone pricing improves, and find handy rationalisations for when they're challenged by their mates ("they actually sponsor a lot of good causes you know").

Strident complaints about monopoly pricing won't abate much, but NZ Communications will continue to be dismissed as vapourware and generally a figure of fun as they struggle to establish themselves in a hostile environment.




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  Reply # 158848 22-Aug-2008 07:41
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JoeBloggs: maccrazy, metime, no. Unless the store you purchased it from is able to sign VF contracts and is also willing to refund you the difference upon contract activation, you will not receive a discount via VF directly.
Thanks. I'm still interested to hear from Paul if he has time to respond. It seems as though such a deal would be in the interests of both of us. I get the subsidy (in the form of an account credit would be fine) and they get a guarantee of $40 per month for the next two years rather than the $15 or so i spend now, and the remove the risk of me deflecting to Telecom if they come up with better pricing on their new network. I would think that it is a pretty reasonable request given that those under the old contracts have the option of switching to the new, cheaper contracts for the next 30 days (according to the Herald and Stuff).

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Reply # 158858 22-Aug-2008 08:33
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compost: A lot of the punters who were so angry that they swore they would never buy anything from Vodafone again will slink back quietly as the iphone pricing improves, and find handy rationalisations for when they're challenged by their mates ("they actually sponsor a lot of good causes you know").


What happened is that quite a few people who posted about "insane prices" around here were either in the queue on Day 1 or in store on Day 1 + n - and bought their iPhones.

Others bought the old iPhone first generation.




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  Reply # 158861 22-Aug-2008 08:46
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freitasm:
compost: A lot of the punters who were so angry that they swore they would never buy anything from Vodafone again will slink back quietly as the iphone pricing improves, and find handy rationalisations for when they're challenged by their mates ("they actually sponsor a lot of good causes you know").


What happened is that quite a few people who posted about "insane prices" around here were either in the queue on Day 1 or in store on Day 1 + n - and bought their iPhones.

Others bought the old iPhone first generation.

So true. As a photographer, I rant about the high prices of Nikon gear in NZ, poor warranty length compared to US/Canada (12 months instead of 5 years!) and so on. However, guess what my gear bags are full of....!! If you want it, you want it.





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  Reply # 158867 22-Aug-2008 09:10
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freitasm:
compost: A lot of the punters who were so angry that they swore they would never buy anything from Vodafone again will slink back quietly as the iphone pricing improves, and find handy rationalisations for when they're challenged by their mates ("they actually sponsor a lot of good causes you know").


What happened is that quite a few people who posted about "insane prices" around here were either in the queue on Day 1 or in store on Day 1 + n - and bought their iPhones.

Others bought the old iPhone first generation.

I'd already bought a 1st gen for my youngest daughter in the US & was keen on a gen 2 for me & my eldest daughter, but not at VF's prices ( my last 2 bill's have been over $200 but I don't want a regular plan that high ). My plan now is wait for Telecom's GSM offerings / gphone. Once upon a time VF or Bell South as I started with ( been on the network since 1990 ) was innovative, now it's old & tired. 
The amount of goodwill VF lost with the iPhone launch is huge, which with a resurgent Telecom not being far off from GSM & already having a better 3G broadband offering is poor timing.
Some will go back though, but the price VF will pay is it's lost that buffer of goodwill & in the truely competitive market that's coming that is invaluable.

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  Reply # 158872 22-Aug-2008 09:38
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I still don't understand why everyone believes that Telecoms prices will be any better than vodafones are now. t's not like they're a new entry to the telco market. If anything they'll be wanting to keep the prices as high as possible for as long as possible to recoup some of the money that they've spent on building a new network.

What they'll be targeting IMO is the customer that "doesn't want to be on voda anymore" for whatever reason, and the roaming customers, as well as being in a better position to retain there existing customer base by having a better option for when it comes time to replace their hardware.

Why does everyone feel the need to set themselves up for disappointment with pricing when they have nothing to base it on? So vodafone said they were going to come out with new pricing plans for the iPhone - well yes they did, and while they pale comapred to the offerings elsewhere in the world (whats wrong with having a larger data cap when you can't use the phone as a modem?), they're still better than what we've had previously.

Anyways, just my opinion.

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  Reply # 158874 22-Aug-2008 09:46
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Why do I think they'll be cheaper, simple really ease of churn, currently you need a new phone to swap Vodafone/Telecom, once they are both GSM it'll be alot easier & we already have number portability.

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Reply # 158877 22-Aug-2008 09:58
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Byrned: I still don't understand why everyone believes that Telecoms prices will be any better than vodafones are now. t's not like they're a new entry to the telco market. If anything they'll be wanting to keep the prices as high as possible for as long as possible to recoup some of the money that they've spent on building a new network.

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Anyways, just my opinion.


True, true.




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  Reply # 158879 22-Aug-2008 10:03
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freitasm:
Byrned: I still don't understand why everyone believes that Telecoms prices will be any better than vodafones are now. t's not like they're a new entry to the telco market. If anything they'll be wanting to keep the prices as high as possible for as long as possible to recoup some of the money that they've spent on building a new network.

...

Anyways, just my opinion.


True, true.

However, they may use pricing to try and encourage people to sign with them - they obviously want more customers and they have to generate revenue to cover the cost of the new network ASAP.

Price wars and competition - however small - can only benefit us as users.





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  Reply # 158917 22-Aug-2008 11:24
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Geektastic:
freitasm:
Byrned: I still don't understand why everyone believes that Telecoms prices will be any better than vodafones are now. t's not like they're a new entry to the telco market. If anything they'll be wanting to keep the prices as high as possible for as long as possible to recoup some of the money that they've spent on building a new network.

...

Anyways, just my opinion.


True, true.

However, they may use pricing to try and encourage people to sign with them - they obviously want more customers and they have to generate revenue to cover the cost of the new network ASAP.

Price wars and competition - however small - can only benefit us as users.


I certainly hope so - I get quite jealous of my family back in the U.K. and the pricing that they're getting.

All I'm saying is history has shown us that the telcos here are quite happy to keep their prices up so lets not get all excieted until something firm is announced Laughing

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Reply # 159031 22-Aug-2008 18:41
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Byrned: I still don't understand why everyone believes that Telecoms prices will be any better than vodafones are now. t's not like they're a new entry to the telco market. If anything they'll be wanting to keep the prices as high as possible for as long as possible to recoup some of the money that they've spent on building a new network.

What they'll be targeting IMO is the customer that "doesn't want to be on voda anymore" for whatever reason, and the roaming customers, as well as being in a better position to retain there existing customer base by having a better option for when it comes time to replace their hardware.

Why does everyone feel the need to set themselves up for disappointment with pricing when they have nothing to base it on? So vodafone said they were going to come out with new pricing plans for the iPhone - well yes they did, and while they pale comapred to the offerings elsewhere in the world (whats wrong with having a larger data cap when you can't use the phone as a modem?), they're still better than what we've had previously.

Anyways, just my opinion.


That may have been the case under Thresea Gattung but there's a new sheriff in town who wants telecom to have some goodwill, not just rape the country for money and lie to us about why we have 3rd world everything.

I used to see her most mornings when I was driving down oriental parade, it was very tempting not to swerve (although I did read an article in the paper 3 years ago when I moved to Wellington about someone doing exactly that) :)

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  Reply # 159050 22-Aug-2008 19:55
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Yes, but in a desire to keep things competitive she would have had some interesting offerings by now. I can't help but feel that in her absence Telecom has stagnated.

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  Reply # 159065 22-Aug-2008 21:35
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JoeBloggs: Yes, but in a desire to keep things competitive she would have had some interesting offerings by now. I can't help but feel that in her absence Telecom has stagnated.


I can't help but feel the same - why wait to some magical date which still hasn't been confirmed to start churning customers back when you have a good network with a fairly good proposition now. Sure you might not have the handset range but in my experience selling mobile phones in the corporate space (where the money is) 90% of the time they took what we gave them. Very few customers wanted to know the features/benefits other than "Can I make/receive calls", and the only other thing that held customers back was the roaming options, but as you can get a sim card for this from Telecom, still no real drawback for the majority of customers.

And lets not forget that the new sheriffs primary responsibility no matter what else is said is generate a profit for the company - and for every x amount you drop your price, you need to increase revenue by an exponential amount - does NZ have the population to really support that? Maybe we should be comparing our prices to countries of similar demographics such as Norway or Denmark. I would but I can't read the websites!

I agree prices need to come down A LOT, but we're no UK, US, or even Oz. They have to be ahead in something!

BTW I have sold for both networks so I do have some knowledge of this - yes I get around Cool


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