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Reply # 158431 20-Aug-2008 18:15
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coffeebaron: You are not comparing apples with apples. The normal Telecom land-line price is $45 per month. The closest equivalent plan is $49.95 per month (Go Express FS/FS + 3GB). So therefore:

Fusion + 3GB = $73 per month

Telecom = $95 per month.


Of course, you could be in one of the lucky areas which has a discounted rate (looking at his pricing). And you could use WorldxChange for dsl as well.

You aren't stuck with Xtra.




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  Reply # 158443 20-Aug-2008 18:56
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billgates: You get 75GB FREE offpeak data from 12am till 8am though Xnet with all there plans. So even if you go for the river plan and pay them $34.00 you get 75GB free off peak data.

Where does it say this? I have been looking around and it only says you get free data in the torrent plan...

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 158444 20-Aug-2008 19:03
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coffeebaron: You are not comparing apples with apples. The normal Telecom land-line price is $45 per month. The closest equivalent plan is $49.95 per month (Go Express FS/FS + 3GB). So therefore:

Fusion + 3GB = $73 per month

Telecom = $95 per month.


Of course, you could be in one of the lucky areas which has a discounted rate (looking at his pricing). And you could use WorldxChange for dsl as well.

You aren't stuck with Xtra.

Yes, that is quite right, and the above was just one comparison. Note that I did say "the normal Telecom land-line price". The other comparison would have been to use the cheapest possible broadband + phone plan Vs the cheapest N-DSL + VoIP plan.

I guess what it all points to is there are so many options and everyone's needs are different.




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  Reply # 158452 20-Aug-2008 19:37
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The simple truth of the matter, as far as the original post is concerned, is that for SOME people it is beneficial financially, for others it is not.

Savings will usually come in the form of lower toll rates, free calling features (voicemail, call forwarding etc) and only paying for the data you use (instead of buying a certain amount per month, etc).

I personally think that if your situation will work out around about the same and you dont see any benefit, then by all means stay with a telecom line + flood. Though you do realise that on NDSL you get automatically upgraded to ADSL2+ when your exchange gets updated, right? Otherwise you will be limited to ADSL1 speeds.

If you need a second phone line then it will definately be cheaper with NDSL than the traditional methods. I'm not exactly sure about slingshots NDSL plans but from memory i think they are priced around about the same too, so you're not exactly being sold a lemon. Orcon offer homeline + internet at varying prices, some of which are far more expensive.

Anyways, i hope this helps. Flame or not. I initially had some issues with the VoIP but after a quick google and reading through various forums like these it was easy enough to troubleshoot.

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  Reply # 158453 20-Aug-2008 19:49
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testing123: If you need a second phone line then it will definately be cheaper with NDSL than the traditional methods. I'm not exactly sure about slingshots NDSL plans but from memory i think they are priced around about the same too, so you're not exactly being sold a lemon. Orcon offer homeline + internet at varying prices, some of which are far more expensive.

But many providers also have a cheaper second line service too - around $36.

Comparisons for both home phone services and internet services are at the NZ Connections Wiki:
There are plenty of choices to make - and sometimes NDSL may not be the cheapest - but each person's situation and requirements are different.




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Reply # 158463 20-Aug-2008 20:10
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testing123: Savings will usually come in the form of lower toll rates, free calling features (voicemail, call forwarding etc) and only paying for the data you use (instead of buying a certain amount per month, etc).


Exactly. I know someone who used to pay over $500 a month to Telecom and once moved to Xnet is paying about a third of that. Toll rates, free intelligent services, etc - all adds up.




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Reply # 158464 20-Aug-2008 20:11
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GDM: I might have known there would be flames from  the XNET fan base.


Wrong answer. I read this whole thing and it is more like people trying to explain the differences. I don't see fanboysm on those replies.






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Reply # 158465 20-Aug-2008 20:16
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billgates: You get 75GB FREE offpeak data from 12am till 8am though Xnet with all there plans. So even if you go for the river plan and pay them $34.00 you get 75GB free off peak data.

Where does it say this? I have been looking around and it only says you get free data in the torrent plan...


Here: 0.15 of a cent per megabyte (or $1.54 per gig) daytime rate and First 75 gigabytes per month off-peak (midnight to 8am) FREE! 

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  Reply # 158470 20-Aug-2008 20:34
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Voip is great, I have seen many setups where people have 128Kbps uploads or try and run torrents with no QOS etc and you just can't get good results. Also VoIP has been promoted as "cheap internet calls" so some stigma about garbly squarky robotic calls still remains. I use it as "local presence" and inter-city PABX and trunking platform which it totally excels at, try doing that with a traditional service or PABX.

I just got another $49 Budge-tone phone today, DSE are clearing them out but be quick! Password to get into it for Asterisk (my silent, 10W thin client runs mine) etc is "budgieclub".

Xnet are "not pricier than Telecom" but you have to pay Naked DSL prices which add $23 odd to the cost of the basic DSL service+markup+voip service.

Shame Telecom no longer offering the old $26 Homeline economy :-( it used to be perfect just to get DSL.

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  Reply # 158471 20-Aug-2008 20:35
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freitasm: Yes, but that's not "all there (sic) plans" as billgates says. This is for the Torrent plan only.


Exactly my thoughts :) 


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  Reply # 158484 20-Aug-2008 21:19
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freitasm: Yes, but that's not "all there (sic) plans" as billgates says. This is for the Torrent plan only.


Whoops, good spotting.

billgates is wrong, Stream/River/Flood all charge $1.02/Gb regardless of what time of day.


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  Reply # 158492 20-Aug-2008 21:55
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freitasm: Yes, but that's not "all there (sic) plans" as billgates says. This is for the Torrent plan only.

Indeed - but Torrent isn't a plan in itself, merely a billing option which can be applied to any existing plan :).

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Er, no, I just scoured the website. You can only get the free 75GB of offpeak data when signed up to the Torrent plan. You sacrifice the $1.03/GB rate for a higher $1.53/GB in exchange for the 75GB offpeak. It makes sense as a billing structure, someone was just mistaken above by saying it's available on all the plans.

I think everyone's a little frustrated with the way our whole telecoms system is set up. It would be great to simply pay for a regular broadband plan but I don't think this will be the case for some time to come. If you don't use a home phone line (or experience good results with Xnet's VoIP), I would still recommend it as good value.

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JoeBloggs: Er, no, I just scoured the website. You can only get the free 75GB of offpeak data when signed up to the Torrent plan. You sacrifice the $1.03/GB rate for a higher $1.53/GB in exchange for the 75GB offpeak. It makes sense as a billing structure, someone was just mistaken above by saying it's available on all the plans.


er, almost :P

first: you can have stream, river or flood (the speed options for ADSL, or just Fusion urban/rural for NDSL)

then: for whatever you chose in step 1 you can choose pay per meg or torent (the pricing/billing options)


if that makes sense... so technically is IS available on all current plans.

http://www.xnet.co.nz/hsi/pricing.shtml

http://www.xnet.co.nz/fusion/slider.shtml

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