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  Reply # 170913 13-Oct-2008 18:14
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Im NOT on the torrent plan, and after midnight on Friday I actually couldnt load any international websites at all, only NZ based ones - which would indicate their international link was in gridlock

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  Reply # 170918 13-Oct-2008 18:34

Swaney:

This is the worst I have ever struck - So phoned xnet who said it is currently being fine tuned and to hold tight for a couple of days (which I will happily do)  then they added "although if you were not on the torrent plan then you would of had full speed."

Not quiet true, as pay-per-meg users are still fighting for enough international bandwidth (currently the Torrent pool will have the vast majority of the total bandwidth Xnet have, and the rest will be fore pay-per-meg users).

Swaney:

Surely they cant sell this plan as FS down when infact they cap it?  I thought thats what other ISP's got in trouble for last year?????

Then got talking to another mate on the otherside of my town in Riccarton (who i recoomended xnet too) and he said he was getting 100k/s+ over night (still not fast but easily workable)!

 

Its not capped, your just fighting for bandwidth among the other Torrent users, instead of before when you were fighting for bandwidth from Torrent and non-torrent plan users. Which isnt fair because pay-per-meg users should not have to fight for bandwidth against Torrent plan users, they should 'fight/share' bandwidth with other pay-per-meg users.

The same with Torrent plan users, they should be sharing bandwidth between other Torrent plan users not pay-per-meg users. In an ideal world there would be enough bandwidth for all but, this isnt an ideal world so there will always be performance compromises or cost compromises, either pay Xnet more each month so they can buy more international bandwidth or Xnet do their best to distribute the bandwidth accordingly.

 

If the average Torrent user is downloading 40Gb a month, and Xnet have 100 users (obviously these are made up numbers, but the point is still the same). Then they will be allocating (40 * 100) + 20% (20% = trying to accommodate for the users who download more) for the Total bandwidth for the Torrent plan users. Xnet probably cannot actually garranty 75 GB a month for each user because their total revenue will not cover the extra cost of the 75GB per user.

attilathegorilla:

 Hmmmm but gameplanet is national, innit? I simply can`t believe Xnet would throttle or pool the entire torrent plan. Then we shouldn’t have to pay any extra for day time usage. What for?

Torrent users are pooled for 12->8am data. During the day torrent users have the same speeds as pay-per-meg users.

The reason the Torrent users were pooled is because they were degrading the service across the board, not just for pay-per-meg users but also for Torrent users who were trying to browse the web (aka not BitTorrent).

Also the plan is not throttled at all, your just put in a pool with all the other Torrent plan users and you all have to share a set amount of bandwidth.

Think of it as being in a bath tub and you have a cup that you can dip into it and take some water (bandwidth) out, well if someone (or a large number of people) comes with a bucket they will take more of the water (eg: bandwidth) than you. When the bath tub is empty no one can get any more water (bandwidth). 

For the Torrent users complaining of less than 10kbps, spare a thought for the pay-per-meg users who were (before this Torrent plan pooling) getting timed out trying to get to ANY international webpage, (streaming video was impossible after 12, streaming audio was also impossible unless you had a multi-connection server, etc).

 


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  Reply # 170921 13-Oct-2008 18:45
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TameIti: The plan isnt being throttled. End of story.

One person with different results isnt enough.


The evidence in the throttling is already there, many people have experienced it.
More evidence is shown when we are routed through a different server before hitting ANC, the fact that our torrent plan datamonitors dont work/havnt been working, and also the fact that people members of rapidshare have reported that they downloaded 2gb but RS said 10gb, meaning packet loss.

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  Reply # 170937 13-Oct-2008 20:06
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Kyro:

`The reason the Torrent users were pooled is because they were degrading the service across the board, not just for pay-per-meg users but also for Torrent users who were trying to browse the web (aka not BitTorrent).`

This is exactly why they should not pool a plan. Because there may be torrent plan users who wish to browse or play online games at night occasionally, but it`s impossible. Now why is this person discriminated against compared to the geezer on the regular Fusion plan?

I know the solution to all our problems: one single state-owned ISP hehe. NZ is simply too small to carry so many ISP`s.




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  Reply # 170938 13-Oct-2008 20:09
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If you are browsing and playing games at that time you would better off on the normal plan as opposed to torrent, assuming that the other plan gets better speeds.

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  Reply # 170946 13-Oct-2008 20:41
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yeah I know that, but even torrenters may wanna occasionally do other than just download at night.




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  Reply # 170988 13-Oct-2008 22:53

attilathegorilla:
I know the solution to all our problems: one single state-owned ISP hehe. NZ is simply too small to carry so many ISP`s.

Not really, that only means there will be no compitition and no choice. You may like having all your choices made for you, but others perfer to have the ability to make decisions for themselfs.

attilathegorilla:
This is exactly why they should not pool a plan. Because there may be torrent plan users who wish to browse or play online games at night occasionally, but it`s impossible. Now why is this person discriminated against compared to the geezer on the regular Fusion plan?
attilathegorilla:yeah I know that, but even torrenters may wanna occasionally do other than just download at night.


Its the price that torrenters pay for having the 75Gb free a month (they can still download 75Gb even with these slower speeds that are coming because of being pooled), non-torrent plan users pay by not being able to download 75Gb for free but get the benefit of not being pooled with Torrent plan users who exhaust their avaliable bandwidth.

You can't have all the perks, you need to make a compromise somewhere.


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  Reply # 170996 13-Oct-2008 23:08
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Economies of scale. I also like to make decisions for myself, and u can tell that a lot of us here do. That`s why we come and go from ISP to ISP. One is too slow, the other is too expensive. All because there are too many of them for a small country.

At the current speeds, anyone on the Torrent plan will be lucky to achieve 20GB a month.




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  Reply # 171011 14-Oct-2008 07:07
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68Meg last night! a new record!!!!

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  Reply # 171012 14-Oct-2008 07:11
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Kyro can you please keep your fonts the same ?
they keep messing up threads making them a hassle to scroll Sealed

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  Reply # 171019 14-Oct-2008 08:52
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Really, I dont see why people are attacking torrent customers over this.

It is xnets fault, not torrent customers that this is happening as xnet supplies the service.
It IS NOT up to other customers to impose or demand other prices, restrictions, or conditions on the service of other customers.

Sure torrent customers get a 'free' 75gb after hours, but keep in mind that its xnet that is offering this plan and they are still PAYING customers just like the pay as you goes (and they pay more onpeak).
Each torrent customer requires atleast 750kbps between 12-8 in order to use up that 75gb monthly, as they are entitled to under the plan.

If xnet had not planned for or restricted customer numbers accordingly it is them failing to deliver the service, not torrent customers scumming it up for everyone else.

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  Reply # 171104 14-Oct-2008 17:07
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Due to the geographical location of NZ, you aren't going to be able to get all of your illegal downloading done as fast and as much as you would like.  We all know that.

Options:  Move countries and get brilliant speeds and no caps but suffer from lack of clean air, congested roads (No Auckland isn't congested) and crap food.

Or: Live with it and enjoy your quality of life.  Go outside more often and take a walk in that park that the local council had the forsight to save.  In other words.... stop complaining and get some fresh air.



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  Reply # 171123 14-Oct-2008 19:00
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Just freshly back from a kayak down the waimak.  Beautiful day out there!

Loving this weather eh

Shame I cant top of this wonderful day by watching what I was planning on as it didnt come in time last night...

Remarks [Moderator edit (MF) removed as per PM]

Just because you think someone downloads the odd movie / tv series then they sit inside and never get out in parks and the likes?

Yep a sack.

Anyway back to xnet - I am just doing my downloading in the evenings for the time being - only really want 700mb a night anyway.  Shame im paying more for this than I would be if I swapped plans - but im sure xnet will sort there issues out and everyone will be happy singing their praises soon.

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Reply # 171200 15-Oct-2008 01:40
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Kyro:

Its the price that torrenters pay for having the 75Gb free a month (they can still download 75Gb even with these slower speeds that are coming because of being pooled), non-torrent plan users pay by not being able to download 75Gb for free but get the benefit of not being pooled with Torrent plan users who exhaust their avaliable bandwidth.

You can't have all the perks, you need to make a compromise somewhere.



I don't believe it is actually possible to use anything even remotely close to 75 GB during off-peak hours right now. It ticks me off I'm once again paying for a service I have no hope of getting. It's speed all over again. No get's anything like promised speeds (my full speed/full speed - what a joke, but we've always known that and learned to live with it), and now we're not even able to transfer as much as someone with another ISP on a 256kbps connection.

It's an absolute joke and Xnet should change the torrent plan's pricing and/or limits to better reflect reailty or just do away with it altogether IMO. I really hope they're not still selling this plan to new customers - what a cruel joke that will be for someone unfamiliar with the situation!




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Reply # 171201 15-Oct-2008 02:00
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Tunk: Really, I dont see why people are attacking torrent customers over this.

It is xnets fault, not torrent customers that this is happening as xnet supplies the service.
It IS NOT up to other customers to impose or demand other prices, restrictions, or conditions on the service of other customers.

Sure torrent customers get a 'free' 75gb after hours, but keep in mind that its xnet that is offering this plan and they are still PAYING customers just like the pay as you goes (and they pay more onpeak).
Each torrent customer requires atleast 750kbps between 12-8 in order to use up that 75gb monthly, as they are entitled to under the plan.

If xnet had not planned for or restricted customer numbers accordingly it is them failing to deliver the service, not torrent customers scumming it up for everyone else.


Well said! I wish Xnet would manage customer's bandwidth! Why can't they take a look every 10 seconds at a user's data usage and intelligently raise or lower the customer's bandwidth with a maximum of 750kbps and maybe a minimum of 75kbps. If they did that - and did it openly (no bull about full speed/full speed) - during off peak hours I'd happily pay for such a service. Sure there would be some wasted bandwidth - but there already is most of the day! At least this would ensure a minimum level of service (barring problems outside of Xnet's network).

The reality is users of P2P (and other bandwidth hungry services, e.g. podcast downloads - they've replaced radio and much of TV for me) such as myself need to accept we cannot be treated the same if we're not prepared to pay full peak rates. And that's FINE. I'd be 100% ok with that if only Xnet were open about it and did it in such a way that torrent plan users get a minimum level of service during 'free' hours.

The trouble is I don't believe they'll do it because it wouldn't make them as much money and wouldn't be as easy as treating customers badly.




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