Is Vodafone giving up on UltraFast HFC /FibreX? (Not offered to new customers)

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#2544704 19-Aug-2020 20:00

If Vodafone were smart, they would have left the cable under clear and just rentEd it off clear. So when they stop reselling it, they could wind up Clear and leave the cable as is, therefore it’s not Vodafone’s problem.

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#2544771 19-Aug-2020 22:02

quickymart:
I think you mean HFC? aka cable, aka Fibre X...I still call it cable though.

I imagine the cables would be left where they are - it would cost a lot to remove them.

Yes HFC, I do know its HFC and no idea why I typed HFT

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#2544785 19-Aug-2020 22:46

kornflake: If Vodafone were smart, they would have left the cable under clear and just rentEd it off clear. So when they stop reselling it, they could wind up Clear and leave the cable as is, therefore it’s not Vodafone’s problem.

Clear didn't lay the cables, Saturn (later Telstra Saturn) did. After Telstra Saturn became part of Clear (later Telstra Clear) in 2001, the cable rollout stopped. Officially it was "paused", but it never resumed.

prevaljo

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#2581641 8-Oct-2020 21:08

I sat down this evening and read this thread, its fairly short and as a Saturn/Paradise/Telstra Clear/Vodafone user I have an interest in the HFC network and T-Boxes (until it dies). I am interested in upgrading my HFC connection and like many on this forum are struggling to understand what options are available until I found the below :

What is the difference between ADSL, VDSL, Fibre, UltraFast HFC and Wireless broadband?

ADSL stands for 'Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line', and it uses the copper network from Chorus. ADSL is ideal for basic internet activities like web browsing, email and online banking.

VDSL is faster than ADSL, but not as fast as Fibre. VDSL lets you enjoy better HD video streaming and sharper online video chats, when compared to ADSL.

Fibre broadband is faster than ADSL and faster than VDSL. Fibre broadband delivers your data over fibre optic cables, much faster than other technologies.

Ultrafast HFC is faster than ADSL and VDSL. Ultrafast HFC is a Vodafone's hybrid fibre coaxial network, that uses world-leading DOCSIS 3.1 technology for high speed data.

Wireless Broadband is super fast broadband, delivered over our 4G mobile network. The modem comes with a SIM card pre installed, making it very easy to set up.

Following a link down the Vodafone rabbit hole (website) I came across a PDF which I can't re-find the link to, but the first para is__

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Vodafone Unlimited - UltraFast HFC Broadband

Offer Summary – 29 May 2020

SERVICE OVERVIEW

Service Description

Unlimited UltraFast HFC Broadband. Ultrafast HFC is a Vodafone's hybrid fibre coaxial network, that uses DOCSIS 3.1 technology for high speed data.

Available to customers who can get HFC at their nominated address. There are four Unlimited Broadband plans available on HFC:

· Unlimited HFC Broadband

· Unlimited HFC Broadband with voice calling over broadband

· Ultimate Home – HFC Broadband with Vodafone TV Intro package.

· Ultimate Home – HFC Broadband with voice calling over broadband and Vodafone TV Intro package.

Voice calling over broadband (VoIP) is the latest in phone line technology. VoIP stands for “Voice over Internet Protocol”. If you have an existing traditional copper landline connected this will be replaced by voice calling over broadband. See how this may affect you in the “Effects on other services” section below.

Vodafone TV Intro included with Ultimate Home HFC plans.

· Includes one Vodafone TV box with access to free to air content only (SKY content excluded).

· Content, features and functionality vary according to subscription type.

· Vodafone TV Intro Terms and Condition apply.

· Compatible TV required, this must plug into your Vodafone TV box and modem.

Unlimited broadband is for residential use only.

Availability

Vodafone Broadband is not available everywhere.

Visit vodafone.co.nz/broadband/ and check what’s available at your place.

As a current user of an earlier iteration of HFC it could be available... Or maybe not if the document wasn't removed from the website...

prevaljo

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#2581643 8-Oct-2020 21:20

Following on from the above post here is a link from the VF website

https://www.vodafone.co.nz/broadband/ultra-fast-hfc/

Apparently it is absolutely the bees knees..

UltraFast HFC Broadband

Vodafone's UltraFast HFC uses world-leading DOCSIS 3.1 technology for high speed data.

But please feel free to read all about it.

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#2581644 8-Oct-2020 21:26

If you believe that HFC DOCSIS3.1 service is in the same league as UFB fibre then you have swallowed the Vodafone coolaide, whilst it is very capable, in reality it has many short comings in scalability and is seriously lacking in immunity to common interference issues that exist in the wild, or maybe even not so wild urban environment.

If you want a the best service available in NZ currently move to UFB fibre.

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#2581645 8-Oct-2020 21:29

Cable? Better than fibre? Not in a million years - and I used to work for TCL too.

Yes, it was great when all that most people could get was ADSL, but times have changed a lot since then. There was a thread a while back where someone got better performance on their VDSL connection as opposed to their cable one.

Once fibre came along, it basically overtook cable for performance, and that's still true today.

prevaljo

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#2581718 9-Oct-2020 07:14

I don't believe it I was merely contributing to a thread on HFC and trying to understand why or what Voda is doing about HFC as currently I am on the service (it's stable and works, but is slow) and a T-Box user. I want faster Internet, and a TV service like the T-Box which the current VTV box isn't (see companion thread). But then again I was a Beta max user.

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#2581726 9-Oct-2020 07:42

@prevaljo I'm in exactly your situation too. Not a BetaMax user 😂, but the combo of HFC + T-Box. I also have a landline through VF.

I haven't switched to fibre yet, mainly because of the alarm connected through the landline. Not keen to get a new system or phones.

I've been meaning to give the retention team a call to see if they can bump up the HFC speed. Perhaps give them a ring and see what they say? Report back once you know more please.

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#2581743 9-Oct-2020 08:16

Newtown:

@prevaljo I'm in exactly your situation too. Not a BetaMax user 😂, but the combo of HFC + T-Box. I also have a landline through VF.

I haven't switched to fibre yet, mainly because of the alarm connected through the landline. Not keen to get a new system or phones.

I've been meaning to give the retention team a call to see if they can bump up the HFC speed. Perhaps give them a ring and see what they say? Report back once you know more please.

Why do you need to get new phones, the ATA in the ultra hub or router provided by your chosen ISP or ONT will simply replace the line you currently have so your phones dont change.

As for alarms, there are upgrade modules that can be added to most alarms systems to convert voice contactID to IP contactID, so whole system does not need replacing.

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#2581907 9-Oct-2020 14:09

cyril7:
Why do you need to get new phones, the ATA in the ultra hub or router provided by your chosen ISP or ONT will simply replace the line you currently have so your phones dont change.
Cyril

Sorry for an off topic question- I’m not very familiar with HFC, but is there a separate copper cable for POTS with HFC?

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#2581908 9-Oct-2020 14:12

Hi, Telstra/Voda in HFC areas also have their own copper overlay for pots with their own exchanges and remote extenders. Just like Chorus's NEAX's the gear is aging and on death row. Hence in both fibre and HFC connections Voda is pushing customers to their VOIP solution via the RGW, which is totally reasonable.

Cyril

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#2581910 9-Oct-2020 14:13

cyril7:
Hi, Telstra/Voda in HFC areas also have their own copper overlay for pots with their own exchanges and remote extenders. Just like Chorus's NEAX's the gear is aging and on death row. Hence in both fibre and HFC connections Voda is pushing customers to their VOIP solution via the RGW, which is totally reasonable.

Cyril

Thanks for this, I have read on some other topic about Nortel switches, is it these?