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  Reply # 172442 21-Oct-2008 08:48

As I said, "potential breach" of the fair use policy.

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Reply # 172444 21-Oct-2008 08:52
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There's about as much potential in that as there is you becoming Prime Minister, Paul Tongue out

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  Reply # 172445 21-Oct-2008 08:56

Vote early, vote often... that's my motto.





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  Reply # 172652 21-Oct-2008 23:44
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PaulBrislen: let's not forget that you breach your terms and conditions of use with this kind of carry on


Oh stop being a wet blanket and let the man have his moment Paul Laughing

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  Reply # 172664 22-Oct-2008 07:18
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Of course the blanket is wet - he rides a scooter to work! Everything gets wet when you ride a scooter to work in Auckland weather :p



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  Reply # 172666 22-Oct-2008 07:19
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Vodafone don't like it because they loose money, going from Vodafone getting around 80cents per min for every call I make, to zero cents per min and I can chat to most of the world for ages (not that I do) . If Vodafone dropped there calling charges to world standards then these kind solutions would'nt be required, but while both telecom & vodafone charge us like a wounded bull - this is only natural that people dont want to get ripped off.

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  Reply # 172667 22-Oct-2008 07:23
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brcjackson: Vodafone don't like it because they loose money, going from Vodafone getting around 80cents per min for every call I make, to zero cents per min and I can chat to most of the world for ages (not that I do) . If Vodafone dropped there calling charges to world standards then these kind solutions would'nt be required, but while both telecom & vodafone charge us like a wounded bull - this is only natural that people dont want to get ripped off.


I disagree. If they dropped their prices, people would still complain, and still try to find ways to get it cheaper. There are still plenty of people using these gateways around the world in places where mobile pricing is already *very* low.

It's the old saying - no matter how much money you have it's never enough. Same applies here - no matter how cheap it is it's never cheap enough Laughing



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  Reply # 172670 22-Oct-2008 07:56
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Sure, but if mobile to landline rates where around 20c, less people would bother. But when mobile to landline rates are around 80c more people would bother.  You also need to take into account the cost of the device.  Tony Hughes mentioned that Telecom are releasing a "$400 to call mobiles and landlines on an unlimited" well I'll do this on Vodafone and 2talk for just $95 per month and share the cost to three friends so we each pay $31. This incl the cost of the device on finance, the Voda plan and the 2talk plan with unlimitted calling to 40 destinations inc NZ, and get 100 mobile mins - its a no brainer.

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  Reply # 172734 22-Oct-2008 11:47
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brcjackson: Sure, but if mobile to landline rates where around 20c, less people would bother. But when mobile to landline rates are around 80c more people would bother.  You also need to take into account the cost of the device.  Tony Hughes mentioned that Telecom are releasing a "$400 to call mobiles and landlines on an unlimited" well I'll do this on Vodafone and 2talk for just $95 per month and share the cost to three friends so we each pay $31. This incl the cost of the device on finance, the Voda plan and the 2talk plan with unlimitted calling to 40 destinations inc NZ, and get 100 mobile mins - its a no brainer.



Do you know if the following device is compatible... might be a cheaper option, when you consider financing the device you use now, this other device would pay for itself over 1 year.
Theres one for sale on Trademe, auction number 183093965 listed as Digital VOIP to GSM Cellular gateway..
Might be another option.

I completely agree, Vodafone want their cake and eat it too... got to be expected that people will look for workarounds until our calling prices drop to a rate which is comparable to 'THE REST OF THE WORLD'!!

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  Reply # 172736 22-Oct-2008 11:56
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gmball, that's the Portech MV-372. I've used it for this very purposes and have no issues with it - though $520 is a bit over the top! I got mine for about $200 USD plus shipping from memory. Contact Portech directly on sales [at] portech [dot] com [dot] tw instead.

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  Reply # 172737 22-Oct-2008 11:57

Hold on a second... I think you're operating with some faulty assumptions.

First off, Vodafone's prices are in the top half of the OECD. So you're paying less with Vodafone NZ than with MOST other OECD countries.

Secondly, we're talking here about a user group that costs $20 a month and allows you to call, TXT and video call between four people.

Are you saying that's too expensive?

Thirdly, Vodafone is doing all the work introducing these products and offering this level of value. Don't see any such innovation from the other players. Try reminding them once in a while.

Fourthly, this thread is about taking one product (Family) and using it for a purpose for which it is not intended. And somehow Vodafone is trying to have it both ways? I think not.

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  Reply # 172743 22-Oct-2008 12:05
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PaulBrislen: Hold on a second... I think you're operating with some faulty assumptions.

First off, Vodafone's prices are in the top half of the OECD. So you're paying less with Vodafone NZ than with MOST other OECD countries.

Secondly, we're talking here about a user group that costs $20 a month and allows you to call, TXT and video call between four people.

Are you saying that's too expensive?

Thirdly, Vodafone is doing all the work introducing these products and offering this level of value. Don't see any such innovation from the other players. Try reminding them once in a while.

Fourthly, this thread is about taking one product (Family) and using it for a purpose for which it is not intended. And somehow Vodafone is trying to have it both ways? I think not.

Cheers

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Well said Paul. But, I think as with any product, people are always going to find some way to use it for purposes which it might not have been intended for. But so long as those purposes don't cause harm to the network or other users, and don't create excessive losses to the company (ie, someone doesn't start running an entire contact centre on GSM gateways and BestMates/Family) - then a bit of tolerance should be given.

I think Vodafone is providing that tolerance now - and good on them for doing so. But the day when Vodafone starts telling Joe Bloggs that makes a few minutes worth of calls a day through a GSM gateway that they're going to send in the blackhawks, is the day that I and probably quite a few others will be leaving Vodafone.

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  Reply # 172744 22-Oct-2008 12:11

willnz:
PaulBrislen: Hold on a second... I think you're operating with some faulty assumptions.

First off, Vodafone's prices are in the top half of the OECD. So you're paying less with Vodafone NZ than with MOST other OECD countries.

Secondly, we're talking here about a user group that costs $20 a month and allows you to call, TXT and video call between four people.

Are you saying that's too expensive?

Thirdly, Vodafone is doing all the work introducing these products and offering this level of value. Don't see any such innovation from the other players. Try reminding them once in a while.

Fourthly, this thread is about taking one product (Family) and using it for a purpose for which it is not intended. And somehow Vodafone is trying to have it both ways? I think not.

Cheers

Paul


Well said Paul. But, I think as with any product, people are always going to find some way to use it for purposes which it might not have been intended for. But so long as those purposes don't cause harm to the network or other users, and don't create excessive losses to the company (ie, someone doesn't start running an entire contact centre on GSM gateways and BestMates/Family) - then a bit of tolerance should be given.

I think Vodafone is providing that tolerance now - and good on them for doing so. But the day when Vodafone starts telling Joe Bloggs that makes a few minutes worth of calls a day through a GSM gateway that they're going to send in the blackhawks, is the day that I and probably quite a few others will be leaving Vodafone.


I hear what you're saying and I agree with you 100%. That's what I'm saying here - if you abuse the service to the point where it impacts noticably we will cut it off and that's not good for anyone. Keep it within the parameters and there's no problem. Hammer the service (Best Mate, for example, being used as an intercom 24/7) and we'll step in and cut you off.

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  Reply # 172747 22-Oct-2008 12:16
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PaulBrislen:
willnz:
PaulBrislen: Hold on a second... I think you're operating with some faulty assumptions.

First off, Vodafone's prices are in the top half of the OECD. So you're paying less with Vodafone NZ than with MOST other OECD countries.

Secondly, we're talking here about a user group that costs $20 a month and allows you to call, TXT and video call between four people.

Are you saying that's too expensive?

Thirdly, Vodafone is doing all the work introducing these products and offering this level of value. Don't see any such innovation from the other players. Try reminding them once in a while.

Fourthly, this thread is about taking one product (Family) and using it for a purpose for which it is not intended. And somehow Vodafone is trying to have it both ways? I think not.

Cheers

Paul


Well said Paul. But, I think as with any product, people are always going to find some way to use it for purposes which it might not have been intended for. But so long as those purposes don't cause harm to the network or other users, and don't create excessive losses to the company (ie, someone doesn't start running an entire contact centre on GSM gateways and BestMates/Family) - then a bit of tolerance should be given.

I think Vodafone is providing that tolerance now - and good on them for doing so. But the day when Vodafone starts telling Joe Bloggs that makes a few minutes worth of calls a day through a GSM gateway that they're going to send in the blackhawks, is the day that I and probably quite a few others will be leaving Vodafone.


I hear what you're saying and I agree with you 100%. That's what I'm saying here - if you abuse the service to the point where it impacts noticably we will cut it off and that's not good for anyone. Keep it within the parameters and there's no problem. Hammer the service (Best Mate, for example, being used as an intercom 24/7) and we'll step in and cut you off.

Cheers

Paul




Hadn't thought of that Paul, but what a good idea, always been looking for a front gate intercom, could even be used as a baby montior LOL!.

I have no intention of abusing any of the services offered, genuinely interested in how the technology works and keen to see a bit of KIWI ingenuity..

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  Reply # 172748 22-Oct-2008 12:17
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And here I was about to hardwire in the intercom on my front door... thanks Paul, great idea! Wink And before you run to the big red button, I'm kidding... Tongue out

EDIT: gmball beat me to it! :p

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