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  Reply # 188304 8-Jan-2009 22:43
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Sure. I dont believe I deserve better speed than everyone else, Nor am I in a hurry to change. Nor am I stupid.

I had a nice chat to a technician at my ISP and got a small amount of transparency into the ISP's issues, controls and methods.

New Zealand Law. Its actually fun when you get into the swing of things. And nothing smells more of 'getting into bed with your customers', than a legally binding agreement. yeehaa! like newly weds.

I will not be able to indulge any of the communications for fun or otherwise, its just deicide to copy my approach.

I want xnet to be around in the future. One person will hurt. Many would kill.

oh and Talkiet: uneconomic service? are you talking about xtra's go large plan or xnets torrent plan, they appear similar.

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  Reply # 188337 9-Jan-2009 09:25
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Can I just say.....

That I'm happy with Xnet limiting Offpeak torrent speeds to 120KB/s......  That way, users who download 10-13GB / night would not be able to do so, which would improve speeds for a downloader like me who do only about 1GB/night...

Thank you!  (Now, just don't reduce this to below 120KB/s......)

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 188344 9-Jan-2009 10:15
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Slightly off-topic.

Interesting, im with Orcon, didn't realise they had p2p shaping (not a big downloader), but DID notice that I could not stream music from online radio stations.  Got very very anoyed with this.  Always get that silly rebuffering every 20-120 seconds.

Not entirely sure how online radio streams music, but does this work similar to p2p downloads?





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  Reply # 188412 9-Jan-2009 16:44
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jesseycy: Can I just say.....

That I'm happy with Xnet limiting Offpeak torrent speeds to 120KB/s......  That way, users who download 10-13GB / night would not be able to do so, which would improve speeds for a downloader like me who do only about 1GB/night...

Thank you!  (Now, just don't reduce this to below 120KB/s......)


Same here, happy with the 3GB per month I use and the features that are applicable to my family's needs.

Now if you do the math, 75GB div 30 days div 6 hours div 60 minutes div 60 seconds = 121kBps or 971kbps.  So if they were to decide to limit you to that speed, then you will still be able to download the promised 75GB per month for free.  Companies investigate legal obligations/implications long before the customers do.  I am all for limiting torrents to 1mbps during the 6h free periods, but maybe should be a bit faster (still limited) during the "paid" period.




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  Reply # 188466 9-Jan-2009 20:44
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Lots of good points in this thread.

A couple of problems I have with the 'just change ISP's' approach (which I also understand, though) are:

1) I'm sick of churning each time a NZ ISP (inevitably) goes down the crapper and under delivers on its initial promise and promises. I eventually got a gmail address to mitigate the effects of churning, but am still bored by the process (having been a customer of most ISPs over the years).

2) With Xnet specifically, the fusion service is nice.

3) When everyone churns to the latest ISP e.g. 'Fast-As-Net', that new ISP's infrastructure inevitably fails. Welcome to NZ broadband.

4) Without occasionally staying, fighting and holding the sods to account and their feet to the fire, how can we expect the ISPs to possibly improve and actually deliver?

So I say go for it, deicidal!

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  Reply # 188472 9-Jan-2009 21:03
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Let's face it, NZ is a small place.  The population of the whole country is about the same as one city.  The up-side is that it is the ideal place to trial new technologies (Woosh is an example of such trials).  The down-side is that we either end up with eventually dated "issue 1" product, or we have trouble with companies following through as described above.

To solve your problem, do not change ISP but change country.




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  Reply # 188527 10-Jan-2009 10:07
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From recent tests, I have another new assumption. Yes I assume at the moment until I get confirmation from Xnet.

There is a huge emphasis on shaping the upload speed through torrent ports.

possibly mainly on IPv5.

This is great news for all the jocks who dload utter rubbish from public torrent trackers. they will snatch and leave

Bad news for anyone uploading on a private group which relies on you dloading and uploading.

if you are a member of a linux distribution list, you dload an ISO and leave it uploading for others.
A new Distro comes out, you dload and upload, but leave previous ones open until the most recent leaves beta.  I am begining to wonder if anyone else on Xnet is legitimately using torrents?

No one else working on developing Linux OS's?

Has anyone else had trouble with uploading while offpeak?

I know a couple of people have posted that they don't care because they dload only maybe 1GB be night. I am not interested in their feedback. what could you possibly be dloading legitamately at 1gig a night for 30 nights? (your too lightweight) I am more interested in anyone who actually dloads things like DVD OS installs, which can vary from a couple of gigs upwards. and uploading them for nights on end.

I challenge anyone on the xnet offpeak to try grab a new linux ISO in one night. If you can't get it in 6 hours offpeak dloading then the ISP you are with are just being how does it go freitasm? Pedantic, and perhaps they should leave the ISP market.

If Xnet continues doing this, and then all the ISP's follow suit, I can seeNZ becoming the 3rd world when it comes to open source Operating systems.

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  Reply # 189098 12-Jan-2009 22:50
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Sounds pretty recreational to me, trying out DVD sized images when there are such capable package managers for most distros these days. If you were still hung up on CD/DVD ISO distribution I'd hope that open source beta testers would avail themselves of more bandwidth efficient (though maybe not as speedy) tools such as http://atterer.net/jigdo/ or http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/ - or issue patches to their ISOs - rather than saturation downloading minor revisions.

deicidal:
if you are a member of a linux distribution list, you dload an ISO and leave it uploading for others.
A new Distro comes out, you dload and upload, but leave previous ones open until the most recent leaves beta.  I am begining to wonder if anyone else on Xnet is legitimately using torrents?

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  Reply # 189108 12-Jan-2009 23:56
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When I ran a computer store my technician had a fetish for dloading ubuntu. I could find 10 or so different versions nearly every week.

Distros like Yellow Dog Linux, esp the PPC, PS3 version is always sitting in Beta, I am currently trying to dload the latest one. 6.1 something or rather (other PC which is switched off till after 2pm) There have been some real buggy releases. But there have also been success stories for each version. It depends how much you want to mess with it to get it to go. I can't be botherd, if it doesnt work well, I dload the next one. I am no linux guru, most linux gurus actually just know where to go to network for answers, current XP and OSx are my thing, with linux and PS3 linux my pastime hobby self learning.

Speaking of Dloading. Windows 7 Beta will be kicked off 2am and see If I can get it in 6 hours before I go back to peak.

Just discovered in the last day, Dloading has finally started to reach 128k down, I actually managed to dload 1.5gig last night. The latest tweak has seemed to nearly get there. And during Peak I managed to get 300k, this is using a perfectly configured bit torrent client to global trackers.


So Xnet are still tweaking and configuring.

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  Reply # 189150 13-Jan-2009 10:24
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I think Xnet should adopt such a "shaping" policy....  It'll be fair, and I think users would be quite happy to accept it.


1.  Torrent <-> PPM Users get a proportional share of the bandwidth pipe 24/7, based on user numbers. (It’s only fair!)

2.  PPM users face no traffic shaping 24/7, whatsoever.

3.  Torrent users are not traffic shaped during peak times (no matter downloading torrent or http). 

4.  During off-peak times, torrent users are limited to 120KB/s for all downloads.  This would avoid people trying to circumvent the restriction by using encryption, etc

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  Reply # 189154 13-Jan-2009 10:54
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jesseycy: I think Xnet should adopt such a "shaping" policy....  It'll be fair, and I think users would be quite happy to accept it.


1.  Torrent <-> PPM Users get a proportional share of the bandwidth pipe 24/7, based on user numbers. (It’s only fair!)

2.  PPM users face no traffic shaping 24/7, whatsoever.

3.  Torrent users are not traffic shaped during peak times (no matter downloading torrent or http). 

4.  During off-peak times, torrent users are limited to 120KB/s for all downloads.  This would avoid people trying to circumvent the restriction by using encryption, etc


You have thought wrong. I am a user. I would not be happy to accept it.

Offpeak should be exactly that. Offpeak unrestricted. When all the normal people who don't live on the internet are off the net and asleep.

Users like me would wait till 2am to do larger downloads/updates to allow everyone else peak bandwidth. As it is, I don't because of the current shaping policy.

The only time I get reasonable speed is during peak. So I pay and download while everyone else is fighting for Bandwidth.

Kinda seems silly to encourage big downloaders into peak times because of speed, when they offered large caps in offpeak for this exact purpose.

Ever Installed Mac OSX server from scratch and seen how many updates it pulls from apple? I dont think you have. Ever installed CS3 or CS4 from scratch and seen how many updates it needs? Probably not either. Ever pulled update packages from a linux server. yes? no? do you have windows and update that?
Most people dont even know how many updates come through windows update services. Good thing WSUS saves downloads of that.

So people with more than 5 computers on their networks running XP should be encouraged to buy Windows Server 03 and install WSUS, edit their Group Policy to recieve updates from their server and only dload Updates once to a centralised location....Perhaps a xNet WSUS would also fix a few international bandwidth issues during Peak. a small GPO script for WSUS sent to xnet customers?


Did you actually read your 3 and 4 after you wrote it. Makes no sense. Encourage Dloaders into Peak times? Discourage them from using Offpeak?
 

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  Reply # 189159 13-Jan-2009 11:23
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I Signed up for this plan because I download lots of things.

I am usually up till midnight. I then used to kick off updates, downloads and PS3/Xbox360 demos.

I also Use torrents to get linux distros and other files.

When they changed Offpeak to 2am, I thought that was a little crap but thought I could live with it, scheduler and stuff.

Set alarm, wake up, turn on consoles, go back to bed. Thanks for the disruption Xnet. I havent had a decent night sleep this year. I have actually spent nearly every night up till after 2am. Investigating what xnet have been doing. I have perfectly configured clients/router/PCs. Its all Xnets doing.

What is xnet doing to this plan? They are definitely trying to get people to leave it. Who wants to be famous and take it to Fair Go? Target anyone?

I really smell a rat here. This stinks so much like xtra go large.

You sign up for full speed Upload and Download. You sign up for 75gig off peak and pay for peak at $1.53 per Gigabyte.

You get tampering with your traffic and Ports. Any Geeks here actually able to see that a customer is not actually getting what he signed up for and is paying for?

You going to tell me the Port tampering is actually justified?

Ask yourself what a Port is, infact wiki it or google it if you don't know and ask yourself what part of tampering with this is actually legal!

Put aside who is dloading what, when, where, how, why.

Look at the facts.
1.What did you sign up for.
2.What are you getting.





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  Reply # 189161 13-Jan-2009 11:29
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Set alarm, wake up, turn on consoles, go back to bed. Thanks for the disruption Xnet. I havent had a decent night sleep this year. I have actually spent nearly every night up till after 2am. Investigating what xnet have been doing. I have perfectly configured clients/router/PCs. Its all Xnets doing.


Dude, you're taking this wayyyyy to seriously. If you don't like it, leave. Quit your whinging about legalities etc and just move on. You're so smart I'm sure you can find another ISP.

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 189168 13-Jan-2009 11:46
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Talkiet:
Set alarm, wake up, turn on consoles, go back to bed. Thanks for the disruption Xnet. I havent had a decent night sleep this year. I have actually spent nearly every night up till after 2am. Investigating what xnet have been doing. I have perfectly configured clients/router/PCs. Its all Xnets doing.


Dude, you're taking this wayyyyy to seriously. If you don't like it, leave. Quit your whinging about legalities etc and just move on. You're so smart I'm sure you can find another ISP.

Cheers - N


I am fine with it when it was what I paid for.
I am fine with it being tampered with. As long as I get a slice of my 75gig free, its a discount to my overall costings.
I dont see any other plans offering 75gig free do you?

As for whinging. pfft. these are forums. is there no freedom of speech here, only whinging? 
I take it your are whinging about my post and suggesting I leave my ISP. 

And if you think your any better, I challenge you to find a better NZ ISP with a 75gig offpeak quota for the same price.

If you can't perhaps you should print your post out and eat your words because it would not be so smart.

And I apologise to all the runescape and wow players who suffer a small bit of lag when they are playing on international servers during the early hours of the night. perhaps you should all change to a Service provider that doesnt go through asia.net international gateway.

Cheers - DC

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  Reply # 189374 13-Jan-2009 22:35
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deicidal:
Ever Installed Mac OSX server from scratch and seen how many updates it pulls from apple? I dont think you have. Ever installed CS3 or CS4 from scratch and seen how many updates it needs? Probably not either. Ever pulled update packages from a linux server. yes? no? do you have windows and update that?
Most people dont even know how many updates come through windows update services. Good thing WSUS saves downloads of that.

So people with more than 5 computers on their networks running XP should be encouraged to buy Windows Server 03 and install WSUS, edit their Group Policy to recieve updates from their server and only dload Updates once to a centralised location....Perhaps a xNet WSUS would also fix a few international bandwidth issues during Peak. a small GPO script for WSUS sent to xnet customers?


Saddly I have seen the amount of updates from OS X Server :), I'm not too sure about where the apple updates come from, but I'm pretty sure they are from Alkamai as well as Microsoft Update which is a local server in XNET's data centre, and is rated at free (local) traffic, so there is no scripts, configuration or policies to configure to pull the updates from a local (non-lan) source.

Sure, it doesn't help your internet connection, but it doesn't cost anything, or slow down the internet for anyone else to DL the updates. I usually get 1MB/sec for the updates I do :-)





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