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  # 240419 30-Jul-2009 06:27
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Screeb: Oh, greeeaaat, it's the same price ($230). Absolutely pathetic.

Well, like I predicted, it's a big fat fail. Seriously, this was promised for the second half of 2007! That's 2 years ago! What a crock. TelstraClear proves once again that they can't do anything right. Well done Dr Freeth. Bravo.

Now is a good time to remind everyone that the 10Mbps plans haven't changed for 3 years bar a price inrease.


I think it is about time they consider upgrading some of their plans.




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  # 240420 30-Jul-2009 06:52
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RockResearch:
Screeb: Oh, greeeaaat, it's the same price ($230). Absolutely pathetic.

Well, like I predicted, it's a big fat fail. Seriously, this was promised for the second half of 2007! That's 2 years ago! What a crock. TelstraClear proves once again that they can't do anything right. Well done Dr Freeth. Bravo.

Now is a good time to remind everyone that the 10Mbps plans haven't changed for 3 years bar a price inrease.


I think it is about time they consider upgrading some of their plans.


The reason you're not seeing price movement is the fact that TCL are cheaper than directly competing ULL products such as Orcon's.

They believe people are already getting value for money and performance. While that's the case you won't see anything changing.


 
 
 
 


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  # 240422 30-Jul-2009 07:04
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sbiddle:
RockResearch:
Screeb: Oh, greeeaaat, it's the same price ($230). Absolutely pathetic.

Well, like I predicted, it's a big fat fail. Seriously, this was promised for the second half of 2007! That's 2 years ago! What a crock. TelstraClear proves once again that they can't do anything right. Well done Dr Freeth. Bravo.

Now is a good time to remind everyone that the 10Mbps plans haven't changed for 3 years bar a price inrease.


I think it is about time they consider upgrading some of their plans.


The reason you're not seeing price movement is the fact that TCL are cheaper than directly competing ULL products such as Orcon's.

They believe people are already getting value for money and performance. While that's the case you won't see anything changing.


I think their cable service is surperior to anything else available. Everytime I consider changing (i.e. bigtime) I shudder at the decrease in speed I would experience.




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  # 240431 30-Jul-2009 07:53
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Nothing seems to be said about the all important International speed???
In reality for a lot of us NZ speed can be hyper speed, but as soon as we leave our shores its crap..regardless of what plan we are on. Interesting for Freath to go on about the fantastic uses of fast broadband, but he clearly doesnt seem to want to understand what happens with International traffic which is the bulk of our useage.

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  # 240433 30-Jul-2009 08:09
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TCL have plenty of international bandwidth, that's hardly an issue.

What I believe they have made a fundamental mistake with however is their approach (which is the same downfall XT fell into) of putting too much emphasis on speed.

DOSCIS3 does deliver 100Mbps internet. The reality is the internet itself can't deliver 100Mbps to all users. There will be disappointed users who start complaining when they don't get 100Mbps to every site on the internet because TCL hyped the product up. You start coming up against phyisical limitations such as the LAN speeds and HDD speeds of remote machines.






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  # 240436 30-Jul-2009 08:25
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2701631/Ultrafast-broadband-coming-to-NZ

I find Dr Freeth's attitude in that article disgusting.  It comes across as though the only reason this upgrade is being done is to lobby the government into not putting fibre in so they don't have to properly compete.  And maybe that'd be okay except when was the last time TelstraClear actualy invested in some infrastructure and increased the size of their network to take in the areas of Wellington not covered by their existing network?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen any new cable put in since they were called Saturn.  Right now living just outside existing cabled areas I'd be pretty pissed if the govt announced that they were going to scrap their fibre initiative in Wellington because of this.

I do however have a little faith that Steven Joyce will not be swayed by such an obvious ploy (at least it isn't Maurice Williamson in charge).





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  # 240457 30-Jul-2009 09:06
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friedCrumpet: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2701631/Ultrafast-broadband-coming-to-NZ

I find Dr Freeth's attitude in that article disgusting.? It comes across as though the only reason this upgrade is being done is to lobby the government into not putting fibre in so they don't have to properly compete.? And maybe that'd be okay except when was the last time TelstraClear actualy invested in some infrastructure and increased the size of their network to take in the areas of Wellington not covered by their existing network?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen any new cable put in since they were called Saturn.? Right now living just outside existing cabled areas I'd be pretty pissed if the govt announced that they were going to scrap their fibre initiative in Wellington because of this.

I do however have a little faith that Steven Joyce will not be swayed by such an obvious ploy (at least it isn't Maurice Williamson in charge).






carefull I got jumped on with this argument :-)

I totally agree though.

And before anyone else gets at me yes I think all other Telcos are guilty of the exact same lack of investment...

 
 
 
 


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  # 240461 30-Jul-2009 09:10
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10587457

"Freeth admitted the 25Mbps plan had not been a big seller in Christchurch, so far attracting less than 20 customers. He said the lack of consumer interest in super-fast internet plans demonstrated the Government's strategy of pushing to build a nationwide fibre network was flawed."

I have another thought why there's a lack of consumer interest... You're charging $230 a month for it you muppet!

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  # 240462 30-Jul-2009 09:11
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Buttonmash: I have another thought why there's a lack of consumer interest... You're charging $230 a month for it you muppet!


lol

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  # 240468 30-Jul-2009 09:18
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sbiddle: TCL have plenty of international bandwidth, that's hardly an issue.

What I believe they have made a fundamental mistake with however is their approach (which is the same downfall XT fell into) of putting too much emphasis on speed.

DOSCIS3 does deliver 100Mbps internet. The reality is the internet itself can't deliver 100Mbps to all users. There will be disappointed users who start complaining when they don't get 100Mbps to every site on the internet because TCL hyped the product up. You start coming up against phyisical limitations such as the LAN speeds and HDD speeds of remote machines.




It'll be the services that they deliver on the 100Mbps that will make it successful or not.  If they just say "Here's 100Mbps - go for it", then there's not a lot of point.  Youtube doesn't buffer on my 10Mbps connection and most downloads are pretty quick and constrained only by server-side bandwidth.

So if they can provide some sort of killer app that makes use of the 100Mbps, they'll be in business.  TV-episode and movie downloads come to mind.

Also, our house (like many, I think) has WiFi, which is supposed to cap at 54Mbps, but in reality only gets half that at best.  So the 100Mbps is wasted, unless I either wire the house or upgrade to 802.11n, which has only just come out of draft.

Mind you, by the time they actually roll out the 100Mbps, maybe everyone will have 802.11n.


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  # 240482 30-Jul-2009 09:52
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Buttonmash: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10587457

"Freeth admitted the 25Mbps plan had not been a big seller in Christchurch, so far attracting less than 20 customers. He said the lack of consumer interest in super-fast internet plans demonstrated the Government's strategy of pushing to build a nationwide fibre network was flawed."

I have another thought why there's a lack of consumer interest... You're charging $230 a month for it you muppet!


LMAO - utterly correct statement, and i take it your not a "Dr" like Freeth!!  Does he really expect us to believe this crap??  Either he is mentally disturbed or he is lying through his teeth, im going with the latter!!

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  # 240484 30-Jul-2009 09:54
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Another point; how much in terms of variable costs does it effect TC's profit by putting customers on the faster speeds?? If the equipment is there, why put a huge barrier ie. massive expense - to customers wanting the increased speeds!?

Intresting food for thought (price per gb)

HighSpeed 10G $5.50 
LightSpeed 20G $4.00 
LightSpeed 40G $2.75 
LightSpeed 80G $1.87 
WarpSpeed 120G $1.92 



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  # 240490 30-Jul-2009 10:02
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itxtme: Another point; how much in terms of variable costs does it effect TC's profit by putting customers on the faster speeds?? If the equipment is there, why put a huge barrier ie. massive expense - to customers wanting the increased speeds!?


It's a classic business strategy to tier your pricing so that no matter what the client's budget, they can buy the product - thus maximising revenues.  The people who pay more getting the better service.  Same thing happens with a lot of businesses.

Having said that, the 25Mbps pricing seems to indicate they don't want many people to use it.  Maybe they don't have the backhaul to support it with their current DOCSIS2.0 standard?





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  # 240499 30-Jul-2009 10:19
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why not in hamilton the network we took the v8s off them why not the network too.




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JonC: It's a classic business strategy to tier your pricing so that no matter what the client's budget, they can buy the product - thus maximising revenues.  The people who pay more getting the better service.  Same thing happens with a lot of businesses.

Having said that, the 25Mbps pricing seems to indicate they don't want many people to use it.  Maybe they don't have the backhaul to support it with their current DOCSIS2.0 standard?



Well said. I am on the 80GB plan and don't complain about the price - because it serves me well. Even though I am heavy user here, I wouldn't plan to move to 25 Mbps because of the price. Even if it means downloading an iTunes movie faster - I can just go have dinner while the movie is downloading on my 10 Mbps connection.





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