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johnr
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  #18557 17-Aug-2005 10:54
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You are right same hardware but different firmware so myself would not call them the same.

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  #18563 17-Aug-2005 11:55

johnr: You are right same hardware but different firmware so myself would not call them the same.

agreed and with the different firmware comes different functionality

a phone with a different firmware identifies itself as a different phone, hence the vflive 3g hurdle

 
 
 
 


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  #18577 17-Aug-2005 14:57
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Must resist... i need some kinda 3G anonymous support group - to help me hold out for telecom's 3G.

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  #18582 17-Aug-2005 16:49
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taniwha: Must resist... i need some kinda 3G anonymous support group - to help me hold out for telecom's 3G.


Go on.... we know you WANT to go buy a REAL 3G handset :-P


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  #18631 18-Aug-2005 13:11

I think the samsung z500v could be a dark horse handset. its got 50mb of internal memory which i believe will prove to be vital in addition it has a transflash slot.
does anyone know the maximum capacity of a t-flash card at present?

Did anyone purchase or play with the samsung, i'm interested in thoughts on the camera.
Its a nice size too

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#18633 18-Aug-2005 13:17
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I have used the samsung and did like it

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  #18634 18-Aug-2005 13:23
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Well i have now had my 3G handset for 7 and a bit days. yup a whole week of 3G!

So far my comments are as follows:

The new network has very good coverage, i get 3G in a lot of place that i don't get T3G coverage on my data card. I have had a few issues with my phone jumping 3G - 2G etc whilest it is in data mode, however it is ROCK solid when you are on a video call.

The only time i have lost a video call was when i was boarding a plane and getting into my seat the call dropped and i was able to call straight back.

Vodafone also have a few issues with call handover, every so often (its happend 3 times and i am a HEAVY phone user) the phone will drop a call while it is going 3G - 2G or visa versa. Only once has this happened while i have been stationary, and that has been in a very tall building (lots and lots of sites to choose from) the other 2 times it has happend has been on the harbor bridge and the mangare motorway.

I have shown off video calling to a lot of my friends and they have all been pretty impressed.

I also have found that the Vodafone 3G is acctually very good for web browsing. I own a Telecom Mobile Broadband card and have tested both and found the browsing experiance to be identical this has included Web, VPN, RDP, SSH etc.

In summary i am very glad that i have been one of the first to take up 3G, their are a few minor issues that vodafone will correct but there is no way im going back!

For the record i have a nokia 6680.


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Chris.

 
 
 
 


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  #18635 18-Aug-2005 13:29
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Cool quick review Chris.

I'm getting a 6880 to play with for a bit later today/tomorrow.

What's the latency like on the data? You mention ssh, that's key for what I use data for and I'm still undecided which data card to get. Typing latency on ssh sessions is the biggest factor for me.

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  #18638 18-Aug-2005 13:37
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muppet: Cool quick review Chris.

I'm getting a 6880 to play with for a bit later today/tomorrow.

What's the latency like on the data? You mention ssh, that's key for what I use data for and I'm still undecided which data card to get. Typing latency on ssh sessions is the biggest factor for me.


I will do a bit more latency testing later today / tommorow and let you know what it is like i.e. close to sites and out a bit etc. something that i have found with telecom is that when you get into lower coverage areas the latency increases. i will compare the 2 and report back.

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#18641 18-Aug-2005 13:54
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Latency on Voda 3G for a 32byte ping is 250ms. This is in a good coverage area. Expect it to get worse as network loading increases.

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  #18642 18-Aug-2005 13:57
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Thats good to hear better than the 700ms to 1s on GPRS

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  #18643 18-Aug-2005 14:02
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Totally better than GPRS but not as good as other commercial UMTS networks where it is 120-150ms.

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  #18644 18-Aug-2005 14:05
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Chris021 - the web browsing experience between Voda 3G and T3G is very different. Voda use a compression/cahce server that lowers the image quality and reduces the content size. I noted that a source image on web site was 30KB, however delivered to me on Voda 3G it was reduced to 9.2K. Quite a difference really.

You may also notice that waking the Voda 3G card from dormancy is a bit slow. I recorded it at 4559ms. This means it will take 4 seconds before the data starts. I hope this is a 'quirk' that will be corrected and not a 'feature'. On the other hand T3G wake up is 669ms.


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  #18657 18-Aug-2005 15:08
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Well - i have a shiny new V800. I know 2 people with video phones, so i called them both last night - at least i tried to call them. I ended up driving down to islandbay to find Voda 3g coverage and made some calls from the supermarket carpark.

Video calls have novelty factor, but the person i called decided they didn't want to look like a dork making a video call in the middle of an auckland street. Video calls in public are even dorkier than bluetooth headsets. :-P

The data is pretty fast, but i thinknot worth the jump from cdma. - but if you're on GPRS then you *NEED* to go buy a 3G phone.

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  #18658 18-Aug-2005 15:18
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I would buy a 3G phone right now, except I have a P910 with too many things on it I rely on.
I almost left it in the Turkish Cafe before and it freaked me out, I don't know now how I'd live without it.

As soon as SE come out with the P1000 (or whatever it's called) I'll be there, though seeing as my company actually buys TelstraClear's mobile product and TClear have talked about their own 3G network, I'm very curious if 3G will work with my TelstraClear connection.

For pure roaming I've been thinking about getting a T3G mobile data card - Seeing as I'd have to pay for it myself though I'm waiting a few months to see what the pricing's like.

I also agree that Video calling is just a novelty. I can think of a few applications where it might be useful but they're limited and pretty unlikely. I find it werid that Voda aren't pushing the "high speed" data aspect of it @ the businesses more than the consumers but I guess you have to get the consumers to like it before business will jump on board.




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