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  Reply # 303140 28-Feb-2010 22:42
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Interesting note from AT&T iphone T&C's "Eligible data plans cover data usage in the U.S. and do not cover international data usage"

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  Reply # 303174 1-Mar-2010 03:08
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MikeyPI: Interesting note from AT&T iphone T&C's "Eligible data plans cover data usage in the U.S. and do not cover international data usage"


Not really, your vodafone data plan doesnt include when roaming. No providers do as far as I know, and the roaming data charges make the voice ones look quite reasonable in comparison.




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  Reply # 303181 1-Mar-2010 07:36
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Ham: When this 3GB data is gone on the smart plans is there any option of purchasing additional "blocks" of data or are we stuck paying $0.25/MB?


All I can say is watch this space

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  Reply # 303183 1-Mar-2010 07:40
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MikeyPI: Interesting note from AT&T iphone T&C's "Eligible data plans cover data usage in the U.S. and do not cover international data usage"


As noted this is the same for any New Zealand mobile operator. Didn't you know that? If you didn't know, there's the reason of "bill shock" that have been on the mainstream media lately - many others don't and think their bundle is valid here and overseas.




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  Reply # 303201 1-Mar-2010 08:55
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All I can say is watch this space


I will with interest

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  Reply # 303206 1-Mar-2010 09:25
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MikeyPI: If you cant afford it dont use it. Its not oxygen...


While I agree on princple with this comment, the thing that gets me is that we are pumped on a daily basis on just how much we can do on a smartphone/data card etc, mobile broadband mobile broadband mobile broadband is what we hear on and on and on...magazine, emails, websites, newspapers.

So yes if you can't afford it, don't use it. But it irks me that we are trying to be sold something with so much advertsing that is in effect (in NZ anyway) a very expensive toy. Obvioiusly I'm not talking about business use of mobile broadband, but even then, that doesn't make it any cheaper...just more justifiable for the cost.

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  Reply # 303208 1-Mar-2010 09:26
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Why do people continue to moan about not having unlimited internet...everything has a cost.

If the OTA really wanted more data, all you need to do is select a larger plan...

Vodafone have 3G for $80 on account, and you can double your data for only another $10, so 6GB for $90...

Myself, I use Vodafone mobile broadband 100%...I dont use wifi or adsl...I use it on my N900 which views websites in all their glory, and I also use it at home, as I tether my HTPC alot...

And what I have found, is I use on average only 3G a month....so the double data which offers 6G is more than suffice.




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  Reply # 303218 1-Mar-2010 09:58
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euanandrews: Why do people continue to moan about not having unlimited internet...everything has a cost.

If the OTA really wanted more data, all you need to do is select a larger plan...

Vodafone have 3G for $80 on account, and you can double your data for only another $10, so 6GB for $90...

Myself, I use Vodafone mobile broadband 100%...I dont use wifi or adsl...I use it on my N900 which views websites in all their glory, and I also use it at home, as I tether my HTPC alot...

And what I have found, is I use on average only 3G a month....so the double data which offers 6G is more than suffice.


If you read through the thread properly, you would see most aren't moaning about not having unlimited internet.  They are asking why we pay such huge prices.  Yes you can buy whatever data you want here but at very extreme prices compared to overseas. 

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  Reply # 303222 1-Mar-2010 10:39
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MikeyPI: Interesting note from AT&T iphone T&C's "Eligible data plans cover data usage in the U.S. and do not cover international data usage"


As noted this is the same for any New Zealand mobile operator. Didn't you know that? If you didn't know, there's the reason of "bill shock" that have been on the mainstream media lately - many others don't and think their bundle is valid here and overseas.


Yeah, didnt comprehend my own quote, fully aware of roaming, but I thought they where talking international data i.e content from .co.nz etc, not roaming. 

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  Reply # 303224 1-Mar-2010 10:48
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Kilack:

If you read through the thread properly, you would see most aren't moaning about not having unlimited internet.  They are asking why we pay such huge prices.  Yes you can buy whatever data you want here but at very extreme prices compared to overseas.


Extreme according to who? The consumer who knows zero about international cellular networks? People vastly underestimate volume. With an isolated population of 4 million, you don’t think we will have to pay a premium? Craigs Investment Partners put the cost of building XT at $750 million, this has to be recouped, and as they lose money on the $10Txt, you better believe they will get it back through data charges, same as VFNZ.

As I say to all who moan at data charges, and mobile costs in general, build your own national cellular network, and I will happily pay you $10 a month for unlimited data, txt, and calls. 


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  Reply # 303227 1-Mar-2010 10:55
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MikeyPI:
Kilack:

If you read through the thread properly, you would see most aren't moaning about not having unlimited internet.  They are asking why we pay such huge prices.  Yes you can buy whatever data you want here but at very extreme prices compared to overseas.


Extreme according to who? The consumer who knows zero about international cellular networks? People vastly underestimate volume. With an isolated population of 4 million, you don’t think we will have to pay a premium? Craigs Investment Partners put the cost of building XT at $750 million, this has to be recouped, and as they lose money on the $10Txt, you better believe they will get it back through data charges, same as VFNZ.

As I say to all who moan at data charges, and mobile costs in general, build your own national cellular network, and I will happily pay you $10 a month for unlimited data, txt, and calls. 



Translation: Dirty consumers! Don't you dare question what we are charging you! You couldn't possibly understand the reasons for it, afterall, you don't own a business do you!  Now sit down, shut up and keep paying us money.




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  Reply # 303229 1-Mar-2010 11:16
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MikeyPI:
Kilack:

If you read through the thread properly, you would see most aren't moaning about not having unlimited internet.  They are asking why we pay such huge prices.  Yes you can buy whatever data you want here but at very extreme prices compared to overseas.


Extreme according to who? The consumer who knows zero about international cellular networks? People vastly underestimate volume. With an isolated population of 4 million, you don’t think we will have to pay a premium? Craigs Investment Partners put the cost of building XT at $750 million, this has to be recouped, and as they lose money on the $10Txt, you better believe they will get it back through data charges, same as VFNZ.

As I say to all who moan at data charges, and mobile costs in general, build your own national cellular network, and I will happily pay you $10 a month for unlimited data, txt, and calls. 




First off yes, I am indeed no expert on the costs of running a network not even close.
Extreme pricing? according to me a customer, I'm one of the people the network was built for.
I call it extreme because comparing it to overseas it simply is.  I understand that we have a smaller population, that we are isolated, that most of our traffic is international etc but the differences in pricing is huge.  Given that we have _unlimited_ packages on adsl that argument just doesn't cut it sorry and don't get me wrong I'm not even asking for unlimited data, just more reasonable pricing, they obviously can do it because they gave out 3gigs of data to loads of people on plans for the same price. 

As for losing money on 10 dollar txt, where did you read that?

From what i have read sms  costs carriers 0 apart from charges between different carriers as the message are sent over control channels which is why they are limited to 160 chrs.  There are a lot of artciles on this on the net and how sms is one of the most profitable areas for carriers because it costs them nothing.




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  Reply # 303243 1-Mar-2010 11:59
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Kilack: 

First off yes, I am indeed no expert on the costs of running a network not even close.
Extreme pricing? according to me a customer, I'm one of the people the network was built for.
I call it extreme because comparing it to overseas it simply is.  
 
Thats your first problem, you cant compare us to overseas, as we are a western country, not part of a continental landmass, thousands of kms from anywhere. 
Kilack: 
understand that we have a smaller population, that we are isolated, that most of our traffic is international
etc but the differences in pricing is huge.  


Maybe you dont understand it then.

Kilack: 
Given that we have _unlimited_ packages on adsl that argument just doesn't cut it sorry and don't get me wrong I'm not even asking for unlimited data, just more reasonable pricing, they obviously can do it because they gave out 3gigs of data to loads of people on plans for the same price. 

Obviously can do what? Give stuff away for free for a limited time? Thats called marketing..

Kilack: 
As for losing money on 10 dollar txt, where did you read that?

The fact that Telecom had to cap the number of txts, and then didnt carry it on to xt, where its $12. Are you claiming that it is profitable? Because if you ask  around I'll think you'll find its not. 
Kilack: 
From what i have read sms  costs carriers 0 apart from charges between different carriers as the message are sent over control channels which is why they are limited to 160 chrs.  There are a lot of artciles on this on the net and how sms is one of the most profitable areas for carriers because it costs them nothing.

If your so worked up about txt costs, dont send them then. Hardly an essential service.

Marketing costs money, maintenance costs money, employees cost money, infact every single thing in business costs money. Plus at some point they need a return on their investment, or there is no point in being in business at all.
As i said if its so easy, set one up so I can send free txts... 



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  Reply # 303248 1-Mar-2010 12:22
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@mikeypi

Indeed perhaps you are right. They are a business afterall and are there to make money of course. I personally think the main problem here is the small population which basically means we have only a couple of carriers which means lack of competition, so the carriers can charge what they want and customers like myself have no choice but to pay what they ask if we want to use the services.

As for me being worked up about texting, well no idea where you got that from. You were the person that brought texting into the topic not I you were claiming they were losing money.
I suggest you read these articles especially the first one, it might change your mind on a few things but basically it costs a carrier the same to send 1 text message as it does 1 million.
There are loads of other articles out there about it also.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/business/28digi.html?_r=1

Anyway that is my last post in this topic, it is getting all a bit silly and going around in circles :).

I am sure prices will come down eventually just like they did with adsl etc. I will wait patiently.

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  Reply # 303296 1-Mar-2010 14:36
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Kilack:
MikeyPI: If you cant afford it dont use it. Its not oxygen...


Yeah, clap clap.


living without internet IS the same as living without oxygen!




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