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  Reply # 337617 2-Jun-2010 23:50
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freitasm: Come and collect the prize. I changed the subject to something more descriptive than the original subject.




Thanks.. fair enough :)




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  Reply # 337620 3-Jun-2010 00:17
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I'm coming around to the idea cell sites should be centrally planned and operators should share locations and possibly equipment. I think cell sites are one area where overbuild is not really desired.

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  Reply # 337648 3-Jun-2010 08:35
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PaulBrislen:  

I have on my desk two letters to the editor from a small town in New Zealand.

The first demands to know why phone companies insist on putting up towers, why they're allowed and how dare they and listing 100 names of people opposed to this tower going up.

Next to it is a letter demanding to know why there's no cellphone coverage at the local school, don't cellphone companies care about their customers, how dare they not listen and listing 100 names of people demanding better coverage.

Both in the same town.

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Classic.  Sums up the mentality of some people in this country when it comes to mobile coverage..




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  Reply # 337659 3-Jun-2010 08:51
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Ragnor: I'm coming around to the idea cell sites should be centrally planned and operators should share locations and possibly equipment. I think cell sites are one area where overbuild is not really desired.

Without wanting to hijack this thread, I agree that'd be great. But then you've got SLA problems, fault repair problems, performance monitoring problems etc.

Unless the whole thing was managed under one uber-umbrella-corp and all the Telco's had to "buy" timeslots from that uber-corp, I can't see how it'd ever work.




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  Reply # 337674 3-Jun-2010 09:30
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Ragnor: I'm coming around to the idea cell sites should be centrally planned and operators should share locations and possibly equipment. I think cell sites are one area where overbuild is not really desired.


Yes multiple operators makes it more of a problem but in Vodafone's or any operator's case isn't it better to have more lower powered sites? If the NIMBYs are phone users they are ignoring the higher power levels that their handset use with distant sites.

What happed to the harmonising of district plans? In Wellington for example wouldn't a cell site  be a permitted activity?

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  Reply # 337686 3-Jun-2010 10:24
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I'd like better coverage at my place and would be more than happy to have a cell tower built in someone's street nearby.




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  Reply # 337723 3-Jun-2010 11:51
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Handsomedan: I'd like better coverage at my place and would be more than happy to have a cell tower built in someone's street nearby.


... but not in front of your house right?

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  Reply # 337733 3-Jun-2010 12:10

I can understand people not wanting an ugly great monstrosity outside their house... we try to make towers look as non-GAH as possible. (My favourite cellsite doubles as a rubbish bin on the waterfront).

Can I just put the case for not having cellphone coverage being as much of a trouble for house buyers as having a tower... I bought a house without considering coverage or even landline broadband coverage and was blessed with being 700m from the exchange (ADSL2+ rocks) and cursed with no mobile cover.

The reason for poor coverage - Vodafone (and Telecom and everyone else) weren't allowed to build a tower on the nearby hill. Instead, they try to surround the hill with sites and unfortunately my street is in the "shadow".

I now have a mini repeater in my kitchen which gives me great coverage but my neighbours still have nothing. They're finding it adds an extra dimension to their house sale process as well.

Just a thought.

Paul




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  Reply # 337764 3-Jun-2010 12:51
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Hi Paul,

Perhaps I should mention your proposed site for this tower is in a high graffiti/vandalism area also.
Would you like me to send you photographs? 




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  Reply # 337771 3-Jun-2010 13:03

I have such a picture here... will see if I can post it in the thread.




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  Reply # 337792 3-Jun-2010 13:31
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Guess we're lucky Paul only had 2 letters on his desk yesterday.....

Although I can empathize with Zolly Cell phone towers are now as much of the landscape as street lights and underground services like power water and sewerage. I'd bet if you had the time to search archives you'd find instances of folk not want their streets dug up for one or other of these services, not wanting the (old) Telecom fibre boxes on their boundaries (that have never been used) or trafficlights or speed humps.....

Being at the end of the street unfortunately doesn't give more veto powers than the people half way along... otherwise people on corners would get 2 votes!! And who is the real villan here? VF?.... I'd think your displeasure would be better directed to the councils who boldly stand in front of you, tell you they have you best interests at heart so you can trust them. But in their next breath ask you to drop your trousers and......... cough

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old3eyes:
PaulBrislen: ?

I have on my desk two letters to the editor from a small town in New Zealand.

The first demands to know why phone companies insist on putting up towers, why they're allowed and how dare they and listing 100 names of people opposed to this tower going up.

Next to it is a letter demanding to know why there's no cellphone coverage at the local school, don't cellphone companies care about their customers, how dare they not listen and listing 100 names of people demanding better coverage.

Both in the same town.

Cheers


Paul


Classic. ?Sums up the mentality of some people in this country when it comes to mobile coverage..


Yeh its called democracy some people want it some people dont, go figure??? I cant believe people are surprised by this!!

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oxnsox: Guess we're lucky Paul only had 2 letters on his desk yesterday.....

Although I can empathize with Zolly Cell phone towers are now as much of the landscape as street lights and underground services like power water and sewerage. I'd bet if you had the time to search archives you'd find instances of folk not want their streets dug up for one or other of these services, not wanting the (old) Telecom fibre boxes on their boundaries (that have never been used) or trafficlights or speed humps.....

Being at the end of the street unfortunately doesn't give more veto powers than the people half way along... otherwise people on corners would get 2 votes!! And who is the real villan here? VF?.... I'd think your displeasure would be better directed to the councils who boldly stand in front of you, tell you they have you best interests at heart so you can trust them. But in their next breath ask you to drop your trousers and......... cough


The council in this case has done the right thing, who do you think is telling Voda to go get a Resource Consent??? there are situations legislated by central government where councils cant control the establishment of Cell towers, the council I work in hates the buggers as it lowers the whole tone of the city having wonderfull seaside vistas pockmarked with bloody cell sites.


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johnr: You have no money remember last night you had issues paying for the other half of your dinner


I bought you a beer you ungrateful Vodafone troll. Some of us don't make wheelbarrows full of money Tongue out

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  Reply # 337838 3-Jun-2010 14:30
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Post from my blog back in Feb...

"Bit (wife) made a comment today that someone told her that they wouldnt use 2Degrees mobile because theyre installing cell towers.

How do you think your current Vodafone/Telecom mobile works ?

OK, so some of the sites that 2D have chosen for cell towers could have been discussed with the locals first but noone seemed to bitch when Vodafone/Telecom put theirs up...

Until someone can prove 100% that cell towers can have adverse affects to the human body/mind, then towers will continue to be put into place regardless of who owns them and what the common rate payer says.."




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