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#25981 9-Jan-2006 22:58
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Leave Telecom alone, see Vodafone files injunction to protect monopoly status
Vodafone are worse than Telecom when it comes to monopolistic behavior. Where Vodafone have a threat (Australia) they will cut pricing and provider wonderful service majorly.

Telecom's International SMS'n is "terrible" as they see little commercial need to setup expensive arrangements with other providers, Thus keeping the net cost down for us, the consumers.

All monopolies are protective about their survival.

Vodafone is a WORLD monopoly, Telecom is a very small fish

Also note: International MMSing went up a short while ago and I suspect we will see some more silent price rises and removal of services shortly.

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Imagine: if a provider played 50 primetime glitzy ads on telly staying "We have news for you..... Your charges are going to go UP!" complete with stupid naked people dancing around. It would cause a nationwide phone network jam.... he he he...

 
 
 
 


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paradoxsm: Leave Telecom alone, see Vodafone files injunction to protect monopoly status
Vodafone are worse than Telecom when it comes to monopolistic behavior. Where Vodafone have a threat (Australia) they will cut pricing and provider wonderful service majorly.

Telecom's International SMS'n is "terrible" as they see little commercial need to setup expensive arrangements with other providers, Thus keeping the net cost down for us, the consumers.

All monopolies are protective about their survival.

Vodafone is a WORLD monopoly, Telecom is a very small fish

Also note: International MMSing went up a short while ago and I suspect we will see some more silent price rises and removal of services shortly.


Sorry, I don't care about how Vodafone operates oversea's, I ONLY care about what affects where I live, namely New Zealand.

As for Vodafone being worse than Telecom ===> HAHA good joke! Just look at what they do/have done in the fixed line market over the years. But I'm not going to dwell on that however.............just trying to give this discussion some balance.

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#25989 9-Jan-2006 23:38
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paradoxsm: Imagine: if a provider played 50 primetime glitzy ads on telly staying "We have news for you..... Your charges are going to go UP!" complete with stupid naked people dancing around. It would cause a nationwide phone network jam.... he he he...


imagine if........... a provider played 50 primetime glitzy ads on telly staying "We have news for you..... Your charges are going to go UP!" complete with stupid kids dancing around going gaga over T3G......

Back to topic now........ :-)

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They need to fix this.

Quoted "Sending a TXT costs 20 cents including GST, and you can send it anywhere: to your friend in the next building, your friend on another network or even your friend on another continent."

Nit picking I know... but they should have foreseen that.




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freitasm: Well, let's just say that the other way is also true: "If it wasn't for Telecom, just imagine what Vodafone would charge for mobile phone use".

Thinking about it, Telecom users don't have much luck with international SMS (either none, or reply path only).

So if one needs to use this feature, Vodafone is the way to go. And the prices just went up - seeing that they pretty much have monopoly on this type of communication and everything else would be hard to justify changing prices due to competition.

But this is OT now, so better get back on the original discussion.




I think the biggest irony is with his quote is that there have been many Telecom plans in the past that offered better rates than Vodafone (their 200 and 300 min offpeak plans and their 99c peak calls on prepay as an example) however Telecom put their prices UP to match Vodafone! Prices in the NZ market were on a gradual decline until around 2000 when Vodafone started to pose a threat to Telecom, since then Telecom's 1/2 price 027->027 calling when they launched their CDMA network and Motormouth have been about the only innovative pricing plans to hit the market.


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sbiddle:
freitasm: Well, let's just say that the other way is also true: "If it wasn't for Telecom, just imagine what Vodafone would charge for mobile phone use".

Thinking about it, Telecom users don't have much luck with international SMS (either none, or reply path only).

So if one needs to use this feature, Vodafone is the way to go. And the prices just went up - seeing that they pretty much have monopoly on this type of communication and everything else would be hard to justify changing prices due to competition.

But this is OT now, so better get back on the original discussion.




I think the biggest irony is with his quote is that there have been many Telecom plans in the past that offered better rates than Vodafone (their 200 and 300 min offpeak plans and their 99c peak calls on prepay as an example) however Telecom put their prices UP to match Vodafone! Prices in the NZ market were on a gradual decline until around 2000 when Vodafone started to pose a threat to Telecom, since then Telecom's 1/2 price 027->027 calling when they launched their CDMA network and Motormouth have been about the only innovative pricing plans to hit the market.



Ok, let's drop the issue about what my signature says shall we?

You know damn well that due to Vodafone "true" competition is alive & kicking in this country. This has been reflected by a greater variety of services & superior handset choice & for most a better price, not to mention a completely different company, with their own network to choose from.

The phones & the services they offer, have seriously forced both networks to work much harder for more customers. Not forgetting that Bell South, then Vodafone pioneered txting in this country & we were one of the first in the world to ever have this technology.

 
 
 
 


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Boring... Grantis get off your Voda donkey and come back down to earth. Bellsouth never offered Text messaging.

How is this for a future signature:

'If it wasn't for Econet just imagine what Voda would charge for mobile phone use'

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#26017 10-Jan-2006 09:07
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cokemaster: They need to fix this.

Quoted "Sending a TXT costs 20 cents including GST, and you can send it anywhere: to your friend in the next building, your friend on another network or even your friend on another continent."

Nit picking I know... but they should have foreseen that.


Technically, Vodafone are correct with that information. The increase in Pre Pay International txt does not come into effect until January 25 2006, by then I am sure they will fix the problem.

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#26018 10-Jan-2006 09:08
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Jama: Boring... Grantis get off your Voda donkey and come back down to earth. Bellsouth never offered Text messaging.

How is this for a future signature:

'If it wasn't for Econet just imagine what Voda would charge for mobile phone use'


Excuse me? BellSouth certainly did offer SMS and it was available on their network not long after they launched as part of the BellData package. There were limitations in that some phones could not send SMS's but all could receive them.

I even recall going to a BellSouth product launch with Larry Carter when the (at the time) head of Telecom paging got up, rambled on about how great paging was, predicted nobody would ever need SMS blah blah blah before being quietly told to sit down by Larry who then asked him when Telecom were going to introduce 2 way paging into NZ so customers would actually know when pager messages were delivered as Vodafone's network could offer this. The biggest flaw with 1 way paging is that missed messages, particularly on the FLEX network are a big issue and the receiver has no idea they have actually missed the message.

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Ahhh thats right - not all phones could send Text, same as TDMA. Sorry, the cerebral fog let me down.

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sbiddle:
Jama: Boring... Grantis get off your Voda donkey and come back down to earth. Bellsouth never offered Text messaging.

How is this for a future signature:

'If it wasn't for Econet just imagine what Voda would charge for mobile phone use'


Excuse me? BellSouth certainly did offer SMS and it was available on their network not long after they launched as part of the BellData package. There were limitations in that some phones could not send SMS's but all could receive them.


Thanks for that, I was just about to correct him myself! If I remember correctly the Nokia 2110 was the first "txt capable phone" to be introduced into New Zealand, which was in 1994.

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Please folks - cut the quotes to the essentials. Quoting full text makes hard to follow a thread. Snip is a good Internet practice...





 

 

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Grantis:
Thanks for that, I was just about to correct him myself! If I remember correctly the Nokia 2110 was the first "txt capable phone" to be introduced into New Zealand, which was in 1994.


Yip it was the 2110 and the 2110i not long after. I remember saving all my hard earned $$ just to get the 2110i when it was launched andit was so cool having a choice on ringtones! Still one of the classic phones of all time, I have 3 or 4 of them in a drawer at home along with a Nokia PCMCIA data card for it. It's quite ironic that 10 years on battery life was soooo much better than any of todays 3G phones!!

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sbiddle: It's quite ironic that 10 years on battery life was soooo much better than any of todays 3G phones!!

I think a lot of the batteries 10 years ago had sheer size on their side - look at a 5110/5120/61xx etc compared to a modern 6220/6225 etc. The batteries were four to five times the size, but only lasting twice as long, that makes them half as good doesnt it?

I still think texting was easiest on the old 51xx series Nokias.

Its odd to see prices going up on telecommunications services. I would expect them to merely exclude the services from future price drops or bundled promos.







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