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  Reply # 342036 15-Jun-2010 18:26
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kiwijunglist: 

(edit)i don't see why NZ has to be so much more expensive.


Grab Economics 101, and start reading. 

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  Reply # 342216 16-Jun-2010 10:29
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MikeyPI:
kiwijunglist:?

(edit)i don't see why NZ has to be so much more expensive.


Grab Economics 101, and start reading.?

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  Reply # 342217 16-Jun-2010 10:29
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MikeyPI:
kiwijunglist: 

(edit)i don't see why NZ has to be so much more expensive.


Grab Economics 101, and start reading. 


LOL! Yeah NZ is a very small country in comparison to other countries.
Hence why they have cheaper rates..

Australia has more people = more revenue for the company.

NZ has less people = less revenue for the company.

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  Reply # 342222 16-Jun-2010 10:36
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PaulBrislen: Couple of points:

1: You're not comparing apples with apples. Those are special prices from VF Aus versus normal prices from VF NZ.

2: Our current offer includes 3GB of data and 1,000PXT a month. You've not mentioned that.

3: Unlimited isn't unlimited. It's (as has been said several times) unlimited*.

Paul


Hi Paul,

Are the prices listed on the VFAU site actually on special/sale? I've got a few friends in AU who've bought the ~$80 plan with $0 up front back in Feb. If only we had that deal! are we likely to get anything like that over here?

As a regular traveller to Aussie I have to say iphone ownership over there is far greater than here.

Cheers,

Matt.

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  Reply # 342227 16-Jun-2010 10:43

wait - MTR regulation will be here in 12 months...



Looking at an even smaller country with a completely different social demographic... Fiji... Not a iPhone plan but still.

http://www.vodafone.com.fj/pages.cfm/business/price-data-plans/

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  Reply # 342266 16-Jun-2010 11:44
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SteveON: wait - MTR regulation will be here in 12 months...



I doubt MTR regulation will have any impact on the (lack of) sign up subsidy... At the end of the day the cheapest way to get an iphone is front up with the cash at apple.co.nz and shop round for a decent plan, the out of the box ones aren't in the best interests of the consumer.

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  Reply # 342375 16-Jun-2010 16:43
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SteveON: wait - MTR regulation will be here in 12 months...

Looking at an even smaller country with a completely different social demographic... Fiji... Not a iPhone plan but still.

http://www.vodafone.com.fj/pages.cfm/business/price-data-plans/


Fiji has population density of ~46 per sq KM
New Zealand has ~15

I think pricing in NZ can be reduced with more/better competition but you have to be realistic and accept there are some serious limitations in our situation.



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  Reply # 342379 16-Jun-2010 16:51
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is pop density over the whole country relevant, i would think urban pop density might be more relevant, anyways, unfortunately this thread will not make things cheaper!




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  Reply # 342397 16-Jun-2010 17:18
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kiwijunglist: is pop density over the whole country relevant, i would think urban pop density might be more relevant, anyways, unfortunately this thread will not make things cheaper!


ahh, well non urban area maintenance/setup / whatever costs still apply to the provider, so they are very relevant.

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  Reply # 342399 16-Jun-2010 17:24

NZ has a few major issues.
1) Lack of population - this will never go away. Economics 101.
2) Geography - NZ requires 2x the amount of investment to service the same land size as most other countries due to our hilly landscape.
3) lack of competition

I feel that there is defiantly an equilibrium where prices will fall to will be reached in the next 24 months. Telcos have to invest a huge amount to get where they are today. We expect the best 3G (soon 4G LTE) yet we don't expect to pay for it...

But then again, the less you charge the more people will use the service. I would pay 2x what I am right now if I received 2x the value.

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