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Topic # 6380 20-Jan-2006 20:30
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Something I remember being talked about on a different forum is the fact Telecom has something called "Interleaving" switched on, on all the DSLAMS, thats how you get your pings of around 50-100ms, but heard if switched off then under 10ms could be possible.

Reasons I heard its on is to help make VoIP not work that well.
Just wondering if TelstraClear under the new agreement with Telecom would have arranged to have this switched off?

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  Reply # 26826 20-Jan-2006 21:41
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I assume interleaving is turned off here in Tianjin. I get around 10ms-20ms pings to some Chinese based CS servers. Compared to New Zealand where when I had Telecom xtra ADSL, pings averaged around 60ms upwards for NZ servers. The brief trial with Orcon ubs was higher pings too.

Additionally when I was staying in New Zealand, I had a direct connection to inspire in the form of fiber/eithernet - great stuff for pings (around 8-30ms for most NZ CS servers) and the price was reasonable compared to ADSL too. Although the internet connection was only avaible to people staying in a few of the Massey halls of residence or the hub (which is an apartment complex and student hall complex - I stayed there).

Going back on topic - I don't think they'd turn it off. Both telecom and Telstra are telcos and benefit from you making non-VOIP calls (assuming they aren't local), I think despite this agreement the status quo will remain. While they are unlikely to block the VOIP services from going over ADSL connections, it doesn't mean they will try and make it any easier to use them.




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  Reply # 26938 23-Jan-2006 15:56
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I emailed Mathew Bolland, who is the Group Manager of Communications at TelstraClear about this subject, his reply was;


Hi Grant,

The technical specifications of the service (apart from speed) are essentially the same as Telecom provides as a retail service (Xtra) given that it is delivered over the same infrastructure, and so Interleaving is likely to be set as per their current service. I don't believe we will have any choice or options around this.

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  Reply # 26942 23-Jan-2006 16:46
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If you read this article from computerworld from their initial agreement last year it mentions Telecom having to switch off interleaving if requested. It would be interesting to know if this still applies considering the new agreement is essentially the same product. Considering it was the Com Com who said this was required if asked for then hopefully TCL will request non interleaved connections and also give people static IP addresses if they want them.

http://www.computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/8C0FDF36F072456BCC256FEA002CC06B

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More pressing to me is the issue of whether the recent landline price hikes will be reversed now that TC has 5% worth of breathing room? Or is it going to be the cosy little duopoly all the minors said it would be?

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Reply # 27202 25-Jan-2006 21:50
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sbiddle: If you read this article from computerworld from their initial agreement last year it mentions Telecom having to switch off interleaving if requested. It would be interesting to know if this still applies considering the new agreement is essentially the same product. Considering it was the Com Com who said this was required if asked for then hopefully TCL will request non interleaved connections and also give people static IP addresses if they want them.

http://www.computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/8C0FDF36F072456BCC256FEA002CC06B


Did you read the email reply I received from Mathew Bolland? According to him "interleaving" will NOT be an optional removal, with this "current" agreement.

The Computerworld article you posted is not the same as the Commercial Agreement that Telecom & TelstraClear have agreed upon. This is why a lot of Industry Insiders were so disappointed with the whole outcome, including many customers with knowledge of the ramifications of the agreement & how they "could" of had a far better deal, under the Commerce Commission arrangement.

The reason that TelstraClear went for this agreement, is due to the fact that it would taken 6-9 months or more to introduce the Commerce Commission ruling, as Telecom stated they would take it to court. So, to get a deal to the customers more quickly, they opted for a Commercial Agreement with Telecom, which is something that will hopefully be improved upon over the coming year (ultimately with the optional removal of Interleaving).

I hope this further email helps explain the situation more clearly:


Hi Grant,

In theory, anything can be negotiated, but in reality the price of getting to market more quickly was to work around what was on the table...ie: 128kbps upstream was set by the Commerce Commission and there was no leverage there. 256 plus allows all sorts of things like voice. One day soon we hope.

regards

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