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Reply # 27091 25-Jan-2006 11:03

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I saw the Telecom 3G ad yesterday evening on tv




I is a kollege stoodent. Bee nice.

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Reply # 27098 25-Jan-2006 11:52
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I have seen ads from Both the freeway from Telecom and the $400 off handsets from VF

 
 
 
 


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Reply # 27099 25-Jan-2006 12:04
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Back to the topic - are we going to run a vote on who won last qtr? I don't know for sure myself but would be interesting to see what others think.

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Reply # 27103 25-Jan-2006 12:20
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Its a tough call but I put it 48/52% to be on the safe side but I feel Telecom might have edge in there favour

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Reply # 27123 25-Jan-2006 14:21
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Is that 48% Voda to 52% Telecom out of a total of 100% net connects?

I am going to go for 30% Voda to 70% Telecom as a guess

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Reply # 27126 25-Jan-2006 14:26
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Jama: Is that 48% Voda to 52% Telecom out of a total of 100% net connects?

I am going to go for 30% Voda to 70% Telecom as a guess


There would be no way that there would be over 200000 new connections in the the quarter, those sort of figures haven't occured for several years now. I'd say Telecom by the nose, maybe 10-15000 or so.


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Reply # 27129 25-Jan-2006 14:53
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Jama don't you think thats a bit high I gave Telecom the edge in front but jesus not that far

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Reply # 27134 25-Jan-2006 15:07
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Mate.... probably is a bit high but I don't mind taking a punt.

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Reply # 27135 25-Jan-2006 15:07
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Telecom may have been able to achieve 70% of new connections when they had 3G exclusively, but Vodafone would have closed the gaps since they launched their own 3G offering.

Whilst Telecom's 3G coverage may be better than Vodafone's, it has to be said that Vodafone's 3G offers more services that is likely to hype up the average consumer. Vodafone's free weekend text messaging may also have had an impact, although not to the same extent that the $10 text messaging deal boosted Telecom's market share.

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Reply # 27136 25-Jan-2006 15:08
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Come on Alasta what do you think? Who is going to win and by how much?

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Reply # 27148 25-Jan-2006 16:04
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"they are throwing in extras such as stop the clock (the UK pay for 3 mins talk for an hour)"




Drat,, I thought we had something original...

"get $400 off" is lame., it's "sign up to "you choose" for 2 years...

those plans are all good but CONTRACTS!!!!! I had a guy from Vodafone phone me up today offering me all sorts of deals (talkzonezero, talkzone, business plans,) and he could give me Free phones, $500 credits etc, but NOT remove the contract term for a byo handset and sim "you choose" signup.

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Reply # 27154 25-Jan-2006 16:23
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Jama: Come on Alasta what do you think? Who is going to win and by how much?


I think johnr is almost on the money. The effect of Vodafone's 3G launch would have been partially offset by continued improvements in Telecom's brand image and range of handsets during the quarter.

So, my bet is 45% Vodafone, 55% Telecom.

I would actually be really pleased if the two were neck-and-neck, because that would suggest that competition is alive and well (or at least as good as it can be in a duopoly situation).



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Reply # 27167 25-Jan-2006 18:19
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Jama: Voda must be gutted - Christmas is supposed to be the busiest time. What shocking figures! Oh well I guess 3G just hasn't cut it for them.

No wonder they are laying off 20 managers. I guess they are 'non performing' managers.


First of all, I personally wouldn't say 68,000 NEW customers is "shocking", due to the fact that the New Zealand mobile market is nearly at saturation point.

Also, do you have an official website link to your statement "No wonder they are laying off 20 managers"? Otherwise it's just gossip.

Also, if your going to make statements like that, at least provide some "balance" to the statement & perhaps talk about the financial trouble that Telecom NZ is currently experiencing as well, such as;


Telecom to adjust value of Australian Operations


Staff grounded as Telecom tightens its belt

Telecom Share Price Drops, to lowest since June 2004

I'm not having a dig at you as such, as there are a lot of people on these forums that don't give a "balanced" perspective with their statements & it annoys me alittle.

I'm not perfect with my posts either by any means, but at least I admit it & I do try to engage in a healthy/balanced debate when I can. :-)

Finally, why haven't Telecom released their figures yet?



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Reply # 27168 25-Jan-2006 18:28
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riahon: I think that was the general consensus by most retailers (this is what I got from family member who is manager for large retail store). He did say that his observation of prepaid sales (they dont do contracts) Voda did better than Telecom this year but compared to previous years, mobile sales overall this Xmas was way down. I guess there has to be some point where enough is enough.

I wonder if handset sales for Voda are measured differently to actual new connections?

My thoughts: If a Telecom cust wants to upgrade their prepaid phone then they buy a NEW prepaid phone with a NEW number and then they transfer their OLD number to this new handset. Does this count as a NEW connection?

In the other camp if a Voda customer buys a NEW handset then they dont actually buy a NEW connection as they use their existing sim card.

So - are these figures bandied about actually NEW connections or NEW handsets. In terms of acquiring NEW customers surely this makes a difference.

Does this make sense?


A well balanced post & a very good point to bring up about how a NEW customer is defined, especially in Telecom's case as they don't utilise SIM cards. It would be interesting to know how it all really works.

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Reply # 27171 25-Jan-2006 18:44
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Grantis:
Finally, why haven't Telecom released their figures yet?


Telecom have different dates for their result announcements and AGM's. From their website their 2nd Quarter results are being announced on the 2nd Feb.

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