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Topic # 8222 14-Jun-2006 12:37
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i just got me a nokia 6020 it has push to talk on it put i can't get it because i am on prepay i think that sucks telecom can get it why can't vodafone? does any one no

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  Reply # 38467 14-Jun-2006 12:55
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If i recall, PTT nokias dont work on Vodafone. The Vodafone PTT system was designed by Motorola and isnt compatible with the Nokia system.

Somebody may want to correct me, but im sure thats hows the story goes.


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  Reply # 38471 14-Jun-2006 13:00
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joe5600: i just got me a nokia 6020 it has push to talk on it put i can't get it because i am on prepay i think that sucks telecom can get it why can't vodafone? does any one no


Well if you want P2T you picked the wrong network provider. If you wanted video calling then you are in the right place.





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Reply # 38472 14-Jun-2006 13:00
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ture bro i didn't no that when i called vodafone that's what they told me that i couldn't get it cos i will on prepay i didn't tell them the type of phone i had

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  Reply # 38473 14-Jun-2006 13:19
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Thats right, even on contract, the Nokias cant do PTT.

IIRC Voda did trial the Nokia platform for PTT and announced a change at the 'eleventh hour' - just before lauch (a matter of weeks maybe?)




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  Reply # 38477 14-Jun-2006 13:50
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tonyhughes: IIRC Voda did trial the Nokia platform for PTT and announced a change at the 'eleventh hour' - just before lauch (a matter of weeks maybe?)

Thats correct. I remember tha Nokia had spent a considerable amount of money on it as well

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Reply # 38480 14-Jun-2006 13:58
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Has the GSM Association not ratified some sort of standard for push to talk? Having two competing standards like this seems to make the service almost worthless.

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  Reply # 38487 14-Jun-2006 14:14
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alasta: Has the GSM Association not ratified some sort of standard for push to talk? Having two competing standards like this seems to make the service almost worthless.

Everyone seems to have their own standard

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  Reply # 38494 14-Jun-2006 14:49
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I think there is Motorola and Nokia standard, plus an 'open' standard, which apparently isnt all that open. Havent looked at PTT stuff for ages, so couldnt tell you more at the moment.

A quick search yielded these:

http://www.openmobilealliance.org/tech/wg_committees/poc.html
http://www.cellular.co.za/technologies/poc/PoC-Open-standards-push-2-talk-specification.htm
http://www.nokia.com/A4126031




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  Reply # 38502 14-Jun-2006 15:26
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If you look on vodafones website:

http://vodafone.co.nz/mobiles/dynamic_mobiles_list.jsp?listType=category&categoryId=ptt

you can see that there are only 2 mobiles with Push 2 Talk, they are both Motorolas.

I think Vodafone are stupid to not promote this service more, i know i'd use it! They need a push 2 talk phone with 3g.

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  Reply # 38503 14-Jun-2006 15:37
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alasta: Has the GSM Association not ratified some sort of standard for push to talk? Having two competing standards like this seems to make the service almost worthless.



The OMA developed a PoC system for GSM that was in the process of being signed off when Nokia decided they didn't like aspects of it so hijacked it, made some changes and rolled out their own Nokia system with hardware, software and handsets before the OMA standard was finalised in the hope that their own standard would be adopted.

Motorola's system uses the finalised OMA standard which is what Vodafone went with. Nokia promised to upgrade their phones to the OMA standard with new firmware when the standard was ratified but seemed to have backtracked on that promise. Because there are networks overseas who have deployed Nokia's platform we are now stuck with 2 competing standards.. The fact that it has essentially failed to take off anywhere has obviously meant that it's a bit of a dead duck these days anyway.


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  Reply # 38506 14-Jun-2006 16:07
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Push to talk is one of the huge drawcards of Nextel is the US and is VERY popular. I can't remember which standard the use off the top of my though

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  Reply # 38515 14-Jun-2006 16:58
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bradstewart: Push to talk is one of the huge drawcards of Nextel is the US and is VERY popular. I can't remember which standard the use off the top of my though


It uses iDEN which is a Motorola developed cellular standard that included PoC.


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  Reply # 38530 14-Jun-2006 18:15
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Did they try to sell it to you as if it would work with PTT on VFNZ?

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Reply # 38542 14-Jun-2006 19:28
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JAMMAN2110: Did they try to sell it to you as if it would work with PTT on VFNZ?


When I got my 6630, one of the first things that I saw when I opened the box was a note saying that the push to talk feature on this handset won't work with the Vodafone network. I imagine they must that with all PTT capable Nokia handsets that are sold through Vodafone dealers.

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