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  #545425 15-Nov-2011 00:34
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Screeb: 

Or unless the traffic ends up going via the US because of TelstraClear's (lack of) peering policy, instead of remaining within the same city.


Geekzone is hosted in the Datacom DC which primarily uses Orcon for transit, Orcon transit interconnects with Telecom who interconnect with Telstraclear.

On my work Telstraclear fibre connection it's ~4ms to geekzone.

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  #545808 15-Nov-2011 23:28
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Of course there are NZ sites that are local to TelstraClear such as Geekzone, but the point is there are others that require a hop to the US and back for no reason other than TelstraClear's peering decisions.

Yes Mauricio, I muddled that sentence a bit. I intended it as "peering policy"/"lack of peering" of course.

 
 
 
 


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  #545819 16-Nov-2011 02:50
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Screeb: Of course there are NZ sites that are local to TelstraClear such as Geekzone, but the point is there are others that require a hop to the US and back for no reason other than TelstraClear's peering decisions.

Yes Mauricio, I muddled that sentence a bit. I intended it as "peering policy"/"lack of peering" of course.


Pretty much only things hosted on Citylink, practically every other host has has peered and non peered transit.

Telecom and Telstraclear have indeed used their size to leverage more interconnection revenue for their wholesale/transit divisions.

However it's our own fault for giving them the market share to do so and things I think will change under UFB and with the Chorus demerger. 

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  #545890 16-Nov-2011 09:55
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My understanding was that some people were using the peering with Telecom and Telstra as a way to get national transit for free. (Drop data into Telecom in Auckland on a DSL link and then pull it back out in Dunedin from Telecom Retail on the same).

How do you guys see peering with the likes of Telecom and Telstra actually working?





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  #545903 16-Nov-2011 10:19
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DonGould: My understanding was that some people were using the peering with Telecom and Telstra as a way to get national transit for free. (Drop data into Telecom in Auckland on a DSL link and then pull it back out in Dunedin from Telecom Retail on the same).


That's my understanding as well. Apparently people were not playing well and abusing the system.
 




 

 

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  #545948 16-Nov-2011 11:59
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Isn't that why you paid Telecom retail for? Internet access? I mean now if you do the same thing it just goes via LA consuming more resources




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Beccara: Isn't that why you paid Telecom retail for? Internet access? I mean now if you do the same thing it just goes via LA consuming more resources

This fascination with "going via LA"... fascinates me. Other than the known exception of CityLink and their traffic between TNZ and TelstraClear, what traffic "goes via LA"? And to be fair, that CityLink traffic doesn't really "go via LA", it originates from LA (well, California).

The 'cheating' issue that upset the two major telcos was ISPs getting around purchasing point-to-point circuits by buying Internet access in a remote location and tunneling traffic.

E.g.: DodgyNet peers with Telecom in Auckland at APE. DodgyNet builds a new POP in Christchurch and needs connectivity between Auckland and Christchurch POPs, but does not want to pay $10K/month for 100Mbps transport service between the POPs. Instead, they buy a Telecom CID or GGI Domestic circuit for significantly lower cost - say $3500 for 100Mbps. Or even DSL if it was suitable. Establish a tunnel over this path, and now you have a nice 100M path between those POPs at a much lower cost.

This was done a few times and the telcos justifiably didn't like it as it somewhat goes against the intent of peering and moves somewhat into the exploitation field.

freitasm, I'm wondering more about the issue you are (were?) seeing. The proxy should not be making HTTP/1.0 requests only as this would break HTTP/1.1 virtual hosting. Especially on a domestic path. Is there anything else (load balancer? reverse proxy?) at your end that could cause this?

 
 
 
 


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  #550772 28-Nov-2011 08:36
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I am not seeing this anymore. Using HTTPFox I see a HTTP1.1 and using a third party HTTPViewer on an external network I see HTTP1.1.

As for the peering, yes, that's the explanation I've heard from Telecom a couple of years ago.




 

 

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