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  Reply # 539781 1-Nov-2011 07:38
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NonprayingMantis: so you didn't actually mean it?


Usually.... but I ended up getting a bit much work this week and didn't have the normal amount of time free sorry... so feel free to do it :)





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  Reply # 540054 1-Nov-2011 20:59
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NonprayingMantis: take Vodafone for example. (which you excluded for some reason) they do $90 for 60GB as standard


http://www.vodafone.co.nz/home-phone-and-broadband/bundles/ideal-pack.jsp

60Gb plan is $100 not $90.

$90 gets you 20Gb then you add $20.40 to get 40Gb.  So I have added $110.40 as their standard price for 40Gb - yes, I agree that the 60gb plan makes more sense, and that was apparent to me after 3 minutes looking at their web site.  So I feel pointing out that the 20/40Gb plan doesn't represent value is a good thing.

The other value points aren't relevant to my graphs.  All the providers have some points of difference that provide some real value to customers, so consumers really need to take my graphs, look at the plans and do some more analysis to see what meets their individual needs.


 




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  Reply # 540055 1-Nov-2011 20:59
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NonprayingMantis: for example, Orcon have this website:

http://www.orcon.net.nz/partners

if you are in the Orcon+ network you can get 40GB for $71 -



When I ran the wizard for my location in Christchurch, it came back with $81.

However is also says it's a plan for business partners and not for residual consumers.  However at my address I have both res and bus listed, I choose the res address and it gave me a figure anyway.

As a direct comparison I really didn't feel it compares as it's not on the main site... but then it occurred to me that you'd point out (rightly) that the Telstra offer isn't on the main site either.... so I've compromised and put the $81 dollar value in.


NonprayingMantis:  and that is a permanent price that doesn't expire after 12 months unlike the telstra one where your price is jacked up by $30 once the 12 months 'free 40GB' has eneded. (and this isn't genius, this is normal PSTN)


You made a really good point here to think about...

We know that historically providers don't tend to take value away in large amounts and the end of a plan.  I think we can assume that within 12 months Telstra will readjust their plans again that when consumers finish this plan they will move to something at the same or better value or Telstra can expect to see all those new customers migrate to a different provider at the end of the term (are they that silly? Some would argue yes ;) )

But this is the point where we start to get silly...  Should we then argue that I should compare none of the other providers until next week and then only with their responses?  Then should I not compare their responses because we know Telstra might counter?  It gets silly and we have to draw a line in the sand some where.

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  Reply # 540056 1-Nov-2011 20:59
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Lurch: Hmm, paying $66.50. $55 naked with Vodafone which is now 60GB and $11.50 for my VOIP line, 500 minutes anywhere with italk which is more than enough (and more than enough smart phone services than you'll ever need for free).


Of course this doesn't include my cellphone, which you need to get the deal with Vodafone. But then that's covered by work :)

Thanks but no thanks Telstra :)




Sorry don't understand this one - iTalk, is that a Vodafone product?  Also, do you have to have Vodafone mobile to have this service?   I don't understand enough to figure out a bundle figure to put in the comparison.   If you can explain where I should put the numbers and what numbers to put in then I'll add it.






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  Reply # 540057 1-Nov-2011 20:59
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Bee: We dont use 40GB per month - we use maybe 15 max... we do do toll calls. So what would be really good would be something like 20GB + phone + unlimited 1 hour toll calls for less than $80 a month...

but it seems like finding any plans with less than 40GB will be near on impossible soon... Which is how the ISPs make money as Ive stated before - sell 40GB packages to 50 people who only use 20 - 30GB each. The rest is therefore profit...



I question if you should be looking at making use of VoIP?  As you point out, you're going to be awash with data but you make lots of long calls.  But where do those long calls go?  If you're calling a limited number of people regularly, then should they also be on the same VoIP provider as providers often don't charge for calls to other users on their network - all you would need for this is an ATA as you can get free VoIP account.






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  Reply # 540058 1-Nov-2011 20:59
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NonprayingMantis:  You have Telecom at $112 for 40GB which is actually for Total Home ($102) with 40GB (+$10). But Total Home also includes unlimited free national calling. The telstraclear deal doesn't.  so to compare like with like you would need to add $15(or is it $20?) onto the TCL monthly price.  


Agreed.  As per my other comments, I'm not factoring extra value, just comparing the KPIs that I indicated.

NonprayingMantis:  Alternatively, if you are just comparing a normal landline and exclude the unlimited national calling, then Telecom has Total HomeBroadband which gives you 60GB for $105, which is less than the $112 you had initially AND has 50% more data. 


That is not a 40gb plan and I am comparing 40 Gb plans.

If you want to make a new set of graphs that compares 60gb plans between providers then it's quite obvious that it's going to look totally different.

What I would like to know about the Telstra plan is what do you play if you want 60Gb?

Do you pay the difference between the 40 and 60 gb price?

Do you just pay for 20 1Gb units @ $2 per unit - $40?

That is not clear to me.






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  Reply # 540059 1-Nov-2011 21:00
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nickb800: @ DonGould Slingshot now has a $10 discount on homeline in the 3 main centres, bringing them down to $81 per month. Still not close to the $62.50 average, nor is their speed performance up with near TCL's.


Yes. Valid point, I picked the main center figures from Telstra to compare, so I've updated the data to reflect your comment.






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  Reply # 540060 1-Nov-2011 21:04
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...and for those who hate scrolling... all the graphs again... :)



























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  Reply # 540701 3-Nov-2011 13:12
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Ok, Finally got my head around this...

So its $75 per month for a phone line??? RIDICULOUS! + 40GB internet...

Or is it $75 per month for phone and 40GB internet + 40GB for free = 80GB ???

Agreed $75 per month for phone and 40GB internet is a pretty good deal but thats not what the advertising says is it???

Definitely misleading advertising going on here Telstra!!!

Edit:  Ok so reading Telstra's Website they offer "phone and broadband" for $75.  0GB.  Then you add on Data useage...  so I guess using that model you are getting the 40GB for free, but I dont think any other ISP does their pricing this way??? 

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  Reply # 540711 3-Nov-2011 13:33
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Bee: Ok, Finally got my head around this...

So its $75 per month for a phone line??? RIDICULOUS! + 40GB internet...

Or is it $75 per month for phone and 40GB internet + 40GB for free = 80GB ???

Agreed $75 per month for phone and 40GB internet is a pretty good deal but thats not what the advertising says is it???

Definitely misleading advertising going on here Telstra!!!

Edit:  Ok so reading Telstra's Website they offer "phone and broadband" for $75.  0GB.  Then you add on Data useage...  so I guess using that model you are getting the 40GB for free, but I dont think any other ISP does their pricing this way??? 


You seem totally confused...

Per my graph above, it's basically an averaged price of $62.50 for a phone line and ADSL connection with 40gb of data per month with a total cost of $750 over the next 12 months.







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  Reply # 540726 3-Nov-2011 14:39
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Bee: Ok, Finally got my head around this...  


So lets recap....

$75 per month for the plan, this gives you phone service and an adsl service with 40GB data.

If you use more than 40GB in a particular month you will pay for more data at whatever their overage charges are. Probably that $2 /GB they are advertising on tv, hopefully not a whole additional 40GB data pack like their old system.

The plan has a 12 month contract term, after which the cheap promotion pricing will probably end.

The promotion also gives you the first two months free, hence Don pointing the average cost per month over 12 months is lower than other options.

One guy tried to sign up and found out that the offer is only for customers that are connected to exchanges where Telstraclear has installed their own ADSL equipment (LLU).  

So not everyone can signup to this plan.

Door to door salespeople will probably be hitting the areas where users can get this plan. 

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  Reply # 540729 3-Nov-2011 14:42
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DonGould:
NonprayingMantis: take Vodafone for example. (which you excluded for some reason) they do $90 for 60GB as standard


http://www.vodafone.co.nz/home-phone-and-broadband/bundles/ideal-pack.jsp

60Gb plan is $100 not $90.

$90 gets you 20Gb then you add $20.40 to get 40Gb.  So I have added $110.40 as their standard price for 40Gb - yes, I agree that the 60gb plan makes more sense, and that was apparent to me after 3 minutes looking at their web site.  So I feel pointing out that the 20/40Gb plan doesn't represent value is a good thing.




it's $90 in the red network - which is the fair comparison since the Telstraclear offer is also only avai;lable on unbundled exchanges too.

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  Reply # 540731 3-Nov-2011 14:45
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DonGould:
NonprayingMantis:  You have Telecom at $112 for 40GB which is actually for Total Home ($102) with 40GB (+$10). But Total Home also includes unlimited free national calling. The telstraclear deal doesn't.  so to compare like with like you would need to add $15(or is it $20?) onto the TCL monthly price.  


Agreed.  As per my other comments, I'm not factoring extra value, just comparing the KPIs that I indicated.

NonprayingMantis:  Alternatively, if you are just comparing a normal landline and exclude the unlimited national calling, then Telecom has Total HomeBroadband which gives you 60GB for $105, which is less than the $112 you had initially AND has 50% more data. 


That is not a 40gb plan and I am comparing 40 Gb plans.




but why would you compare a higher price for 40GB and unlimited calling when you can get 60GB without the national calling for less?

Clearly the closest deal to compare is the $105 one since you get standard landline with broadband, and not the unlimited national calling which you don't want.


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  Reply # 540733 3-Nov-2011 14:46
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A "fair" comparison is not that easy.

You would have to look at phone calling minutes used by the user vs calling rates... and to where (local, national, international, mobile) as for some people that would be a major factor.... for some it wouldn't.

Also you need to consider the data usage savings from un-metered sites.


However, generally speaking if you can get this plan (and not everyone can!).... then is looks like very good value.

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  Reply # 540739 3-Nov-2011 14:55
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DonGould:
Bee: Ok, Finally got my head around this...

So its $75 per month for a phone line??? RIDICULOUS! + 40GB internet...

Or is it $75 per month for phone and 40GB internet + 40GB for free = 80GB ???

Agreed $75 per month for phone and 40GB internet is a pretty good deal but thats not what the advertising says is it???

Definitely misleading advertising going on here Telstra!!!

Edit:  Ok so reading Telstra's Website they offer "phone and broadband" for $75.  0GB.  Then you add on Data useage...  so I guess using that model you are getting the 40GB for free, but I dont think any other ISP does their pricing this way??? 


You seem totally confused...

Per my graph above, it's basically an averaged price of $62.50 for a phone line and ADSL connection with 40gb of data per month with a total cost of $750 over the next 12 months.





I'm still confused. Where is the "40Gb free for 12 months"? Is it actually $45/month for months 3 to 12 (cost of phone only)?

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