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  Reply # 553286 3-Dec-2011 22:11
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DonGould: [snip]
So far I've moved ~33Gb since we started this exercise.  So translate that over a month and we're talking about ~1Tb of data, which really isn't that much, .au already have those caps as standard on many providers.
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The average use of the users on the 1TB plans in .au is nothing like 1TB/month. Suggesting that your 33GB over the weekend so far is IN ANY WAY similar to usage on the Aussie 1TB plans is laughable.

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  Reply # 553287 3-Dec-2011 22:14
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DonGould:[snip]

We are paying 16 times the cost here for data that they are in Australia.  If we were paying Australian prices then we wouldn't be having this discussion. 


Please show your working on this calculation. Please keep in mind that for those people that want to move monstrous amounts of data - there _ARE_ unlimited plans in NZ at the moment, so please use those for your comparison if you _really_ want to compare to .au 1TB plans.

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  Reply # 553292 3-Dec-2011 22:22
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DonGould: Telstra just refused to peer in New Zealand, so they end up picking up wads of local content over their international links, so they really can't do these sorts of free weekend things in my view because they just don't have the arrangements in place to use move traffic sensibly.



You're confusing "peering" and "peering for free at a point such as WIX which many people believe they they should peer at for free in the interests of an open internet".

Both of these are not the same thing. TelstraClear peer with many people in NZ, they just don't openly peer at WIX for free.

 



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  Reply # 553302 3-Dec-2011 22:36
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Talkiet:
DonGould: [snip]
So far I've moved ~33Gb since we started this exercise.  So translate that over a month and we're talking about ~1Tb of data, which really isn't that much, .au already have those caps as standard on many providers.
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The average use of the users on the 1TB plans in .au is nothing like 1TB/month. Suggesting that your 33GB over the weekend so far is IN ANY WAY similar to usage on the Aussie 1TB plans is laughable.

Cheers - N



Don, as said... I doubt you would keep moving this amount of data every day. I have a 120 GB plan, and actually in the last five months we have been using less and less each month - I still don't know why, but that's what's shown on the meter.

But please, don't answer. We know you love to get discussions off topic, so don't. This is about the performance during the weekend, not a price comparison to Australia, or how much data people should or not use.





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  Reply # 553314 3-Dec-2011 23:41
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Telstra Clear must be joking if they think this is broadband...


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  Reply # 553317 3-Dec-2011 23:55
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I think some people are going overboard and pointing the finger more than necessary.  If the internet is so important to you should have a backup internet connection. ISP's don't guarantee 100% uptime and stable connections, even if your a high value customer they don't guarantee 100% but its close after paying thousands of dollars a month.

If your complaining about the speeds speedtest.net is providing please don't use the wellington server, they are always much lower than other speedtest servers. Every server has its own bandwidth, if too many people test to the server it has less bandwidth and also it depends on its location.  Speedtest servers should be only used as a guide line.

For example i just tested to auckland and i got :



I then tested to wellington and got:



and sydney for perspective:



As you can see the wellington server is providing totally congested results so its pointless using this as a test to prove how much of the free internet weekend is having an impact on your connection. Post some more accurate results.

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  Reply # 553319 4-Dec-2011 00:07
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dets00b: I think some people are going overboard and pointing the finger more than necessary.  If the internet is so important to you should have a backup internet connection. ISP's don't guarantee 100% uptime and stable connections, even if your a high value customer they don't guarantee 100% but its close after paying thousands of dollars a month.

If your complaining about the speeds speedtest.net is providing please don't use the wellington server, they are always much lower than other speedtest servers. Every server has its own bandwidth, if too many people test to the server it has less bandwidth and also it depends on its location.  Speedtest servers should be only used as a guide line.

For example i just tested to auckland and i got :



I then tested to wellington and got:



and sydney for perspective:



As you can see the wellington server is providing totally congested results so its pointless using this as a test to prove how much of the free internet weekend is having an impact on your connection. Post some more accurate results.


I think the finger pointing is fair enough when we know where to point the finger at! We know why we are getting very poor speeds and unreliable connections, and that's because of the free data weekend. Are you really suggesting people should have a second broadband provider just for when TC decide to give another free data weekend to keep freeloaders happy!?

It's now after midnight so very much after the peak, but as you suggested I have tried the Auckland server and still don't get great speeds, and worse bit the connection isn't reliable, so even though I am getting these speeds I still cannot even listen to a low bandwidth internet radio stream!

 

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  Reply # 553320 4-Dec-2011 00:24
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you must be getting a lot of packet loss, otherwise you would be able to listen, try pingtest.net to see how much your getting Teeps




international is terrible for jitter, no packet loss though


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  Reply # 553321 4-Dec-2011 00:32
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Teeps:
dets00b: I think some people are going overboard and pointing the finger more than necessary.  If the internet is so important to you should have a backup internet connection. ISP's don't guarantee 100% uptime and stable connections, even if your a high value customer they don't guarantee 100% but its close after paying thousands of dollars a month.

If your complaining about the speeds speedtest.net is providing please don't use the wellington server, they are always much lower than other speedtest servers. Every server has its own bandwidth, if too many people test to the server it has less bandwidth and also it depends on its location.  Speedtest servers should be only used as a guide line.

For example i just tested to auckland and i got :



I then tested to wellington and got:



and sydney for perspective:



As you can see the wellington server is providing totally congested results so its pointless using this as a test to prove how much of the free internet weekend is having an impact on your connection. Post some more accurate results.


I think the finger pointing is fair enough when we know where to point the finger at! We know why we are getting very poor speeds and unreliable connections, and that's because of the free data weekend. Are you really suggesting people should have a second broadband provider just for when TC decide to give another free data weekend to keep freeloaders happy!?

It's now after midnight so very much after the peak, but as you suggested I have tried the Auckland server and still don't get great speeds, and worse bit the connection isn't reliable, so even though I am getting these speeds I still cannot even listen to a low bandwidth internet radio stream!

 


I think its just the people from your suburb leeching a lot , your problem is probably congestion on your node. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets congested at other times aswell, probably needs more backhaul bandwidth

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  Reply # 553325 4-Dec-2011 01:35
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My speeds are starting to go above 10 Mbps again. I noticed the same trend after 1:30am yesterday as well. Has anyone else noticed this pattern?

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  Reply # 553328 4-Dec-2011 02:51
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It is still quite obviously highly localized (the really major slow downs).

I've not once dropped below 25% of 15mbps (which, as we all know, is ample bandwidth to do anything on the internet except stream HD-quality video).

If I was an average user I would have absolutely no idea this weekend was even happening, my internet would be running stock standard. 



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  Reply # 553335 4-Dec-2011 07:34
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dets00b: I then tested to wellington and got:



As you can see the wellington server is providing totally congested results so its pointless using this as a test to prove how much of the free internet weekend is having an impact on your connection. Post some more accurate results.


Wrong conclusion. The Wellington server gives a low number because it's hosted at Citylink and there's no peering between TelstraClear and Citylink. This means packets travel a lot longer to get to the server, even if you are in Wellington testing against the Wellington server.

You will get low results in Wellington at any time of the year.

 




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  Reply # 553339 4-Dec-2011 07:40
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Being up earlier than most on a Sunday morning has its advantages

Not up to pre 'free data weekend' speeds but looking much better at the moment. Hope it lasts all day

 

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  Reply # 553340 4-Dec-2011 07:47
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Crowbar: It is still quite obviously highly localized (the really major slow downs).

I've not once dropped below 25% of 15mbps (which, as we all know, is ample bandwidth to do anything on the internet except stream HD-quality video).

If I was an average user I would have absolutely no idea this weekend was even happening, my internet would be running stock standard. 

 Indeed - this free data weekend at least highlighted which areas are heavily congested, and for the rest of us it was almost business as usual.

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  Reply # 553346 4-Dec-2011 08:01
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It has been international traffic that has stuffed a lot of people up..particularly gamers where having a good latency is vital.
Detsoob it sounds like you work for TCL?

If so please explain why a provider would deliberately put in place a scenario that would detrimentally effect some of its customers to allow others to pull down large amounts of international traffic just to test speeds? In fact TCL warned us that some slowing would occur. So why do it? I dont get it at all?

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