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  Reply # 553431 4-Dec-2011 11:34
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DoomlordVekk:
freitasm: Typical Tragedy of Commons...


MF, you're starting to sound like a certain ex-CEO of a large Research and Education network provider...


Please enlighten me (seriously, I can't think of anyone I know that fits this description).

 




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  Reply # 553436 4-Dec-2011 11:36
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My speed was hit today, i'm down 900kb/s after pulling down around 140gb downloading stable at 1000kbs



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  Reply # 553440 4-Dec-2011 11:44
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Spent the morning watching Sound of Music video clips with daughter. YouTube video clips themselves were ok (not tried the HD ones, as 480 was taking a bit of time to buffer), but every time the video was about to show the Google Ads it would stop and buffer and wait for those ads.

Have no luck at all with iTunes store though. Tried to find a couple of things to rent for later viewing and the search wouldn't work at all with "connecting to iTunes store" showing in the status bar and not going anywhere.

Other than this, going, albeit slow. But since what I am doing are things that don't need me in front of a PC (downloading a large Geekzone VM backup to my home server and uploading to Crashplan) then I am not fussed about speed.




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  Reply # 553443 4-Dec-2011 11:58
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freitasm:
Shadbolt: I must confess that I'm a bit confused as to why people are painting TelstraClear as callous, outrageous, moronic, illegal gits for actually TRYING to do, for once, what people have been clamouring for - "all you can eat" broadband.

Be careful what you wish for. 


What some will come back with though is that an ISP providing All You Can Eat would probably have better allocations of resources. 

But I agree with the gist of your comment. 

ISPs can't provision resources based on peak demand, otherwise what happens with all those resources during non-peak times? Who's paying for that? The costs would be enormous.

On the other hand, the ISPs don't have a real world model to base their resource requirements on.

But... This "experiement" weekend is not even a valid model, because in my view people are actually using a lot more than they would normally, just because this is an unusual event. In effect what we are seeing here is the most demanding usage the network would be required to service. But not necessarily the demand an all you can eat plan would require in "normal" sense.


 


Where does it say its an experiment weekend?
You yourself say that even watching youtube is a waste of time this weekend.....

If I was CEO of TCL I would have pulled the plug on this weekend now, apologized to affected customers and sacked whomever decided to try this marketing ploy out.

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  Reply # 553444 4-Dec-2011 12:03
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I must say that my experience of using my internet connection today has been much more pleasurable than it was yesterday. Speeds are nothing to get excited about but in general everything is much more reliable, and I am able to stream internet radio at 128kbps without any pauses :)

Maybe TC made some changes overnight to help share the load!?

 

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  Reply # 553446 4-Dec-2011 12:05
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Teeps: I must say that my experience of using my internet connection today has been much more pleasurable than it was yesterday. Speeds are nothing to get excited about but in general everything is much more reliable, and I am able to stream internet radio at 128kbps without any pauses :)

Maybe TC made some changes overnight to help share the load!? 

 


Or the load is lightening as downloads complete for those making the most of the freebie.




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  Reply # 553449 4-Dec-2011 12:14
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floydbloke: Or the load is lightening as downloads complete for those making the most of the freebie.


I know that is more likely, but I was giving TC the benefit of the doubt that they'd actually try and do something to help! 

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  Reply # 553451 4-Dec-2011 12:20
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waste of a weekend! haven't downloaded anything, youtube just runs, (no point at trying to running HD content).

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  Reply # 553453 4-Dec-2011 12:20
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I'm not sure what happened, maybe everyone finished downloading what they needed, but my speeds are back up again today. In fact, it's almost normal. The quality isn't much improved though - still getting horrible ping times to international game servers but I can do stuff with faster speeds ;)

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  Reply # 553464 4-Dec-2011 13:22
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FWIW

I have noticed in Wellington's eastern suburbs this weekend on cable, any streaming of non-popular content, that presumably hasn't been cached, is unwatchable, including stuff from iTunes and YouTube.

Thanks telstraclear, I appreciate you ruining my weekend, and charging me for it (still pay my monthly account, and have unusable Internet for two days).

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  Reply # 553470 4-Dec-2011 13:29
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Performance today seems to be a lot better; WoW is actually playable (although not quite as well as I'm accustomed to) and speed tests are close to normal (9.5 Mb/s instead of about 12). Pingtest.net is still failing to perform the packet loss test but it gives me a tentative grade of B.

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  Reply # 553484 4-Dec-2011 13:58
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mattbush:[snip]

If I was CEO of TCL I would have pulled the plug on this weekend now, apologized to affected customers and sacked whomever decided to try this marketing ploy out.


Explain how you pull the plug on it please. It's not realistically possible to do anything but let it run it's course. Just think about the impact for 10 seconds and you'll see what I mean.

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  Reply # 553488 4-Dec-2011 14:04
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One can't do it. People know it's unmetered. People are using it. Changing the rules in the middle of the weekend would just cause more trouble. People wouldn't know, people wouldn't be at home but things would still be running.

No, it can't and shouldn't be done.





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  Reply # 553491 4-Dec-2011 14:23
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DoomlordVekk: Gent's, the analogy is getting better each iteration it goes through but you're kind of forgetting that your coffee has actually come from a coffee shop 15 city blocks away, handed to waiting staff across 5 different coffee shops and if there has been some sloppage along the way and you only get half your coffee, you're generally OK with that, because it's some of the best coffee anywhere (or that can't be made or purchased in your city block).

The internet isn't a guaranteed thing,  Best Efforts sums the internet very well.


That is quite an interesting analogy, the coffee shop.

What they've also done is sell 'coffee cards' to people, 'pay for 10 coffees and get a discount'.  They didn't specify how the terms off coffee delivery, but for the past year or so, you've just called in any time and got a coffee within 3 or 4 minutes so accept this as the standard terms of service.

What's happened here is that the coffee shop has said 'free coffee for all customers who purchased coffee cards by Friday morning'.

But what they haven't done is talk to their water/power supplier and given them the heads up that they will be drawing capacity to 100% of the pipe that they've got running into the building.

What I find interesting is the impact on the brand and the brand of $RandomCouncilWaterCompany (in this case Level 3 and Reach).

But over all I do like the analogy.









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  Reply # 553493 4-Dec-2011 14:27
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floydbloke:
sbiddle:
dets00b:I think its just the people from your suburb leeching a lot , your problem is probably congestion on your node. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets congested at other times aswell, probably needs more backhaul bandwidth


I can guarantee to you now that backhaul will not the issue. The way DOCSIS works is the issue.

If you want to do some light reading check out how DOCSIS works. It's a shared access medium a across a node (not a auburb as there are around 100 nodes in the Wgtn region), and has a finite capacity, so if you have lots of people on a single node that are heavy users speed will be impacted. This differs from DSL which is not a shared medium.

DOCSIS3 improves on this with channel bonding which also greatly improves the maxium speeds that can be offered.




I always respect your very knowledgeable and educational posts.  This doesn't explain a 90%+ deterioration in my ADSL performance this weekend though.

Edit: typo


Issues experienced by DSL users and cable users are two different issues entirely.

It's clear that international transit is saturated and this will be affecting everybody. Due to the completely different architctures of the networks congestion on DOCSIS and DSL platforms will occur at different points.

You're correct that my explanation doesn't explain your issue - because you're not on DSL. The issue for you won't be a backhaul one either however, it will likely be saturation of the handover link(s) between the Chorus and TCL networks.


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