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#1876973 4-Oct-2017 08:46

davidcole:

It would be my civic duty to do that.

Do you think I should buy some air horns and hook them up to a button on the outside of my house?

Sounds like an Arduino project!

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#1876974 4-Oct-2017 08:50

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News this morning says it was being developed in Europe, so was being tested in the middle of their day.

Right. And we all know how software developer in other countries work well when finally deployed into another timezone.

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#1876975 4-Oct-2017 08:52

After reading comments in media rags and FB I swear some people would complain if you woke them up to tell them their house was on fire.

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#1876978 4-Oct-2017 08:54

This is a great initiative, however one way to sure ruin a good service, with good intention is to spam people unnecessarily with test messages in the middle of the night.

Anybody know how to disable emergency notifications on an iphone? Don't want to be woken up again so early.

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#1876980 4-Oct-2017 08:58

Wiggum:

This is a great initiative, however one way to sure ruin a good service, with good intention is to spam people unnecessarily with test messages in the middle of the night.

Anybody know how to disable emergency notifications on an iphone? Don't want to be woken up again so early.

The whole point of it is you shouldn't be able to disable it. It everyone did that, what'd be the point, if there was an actual emergency? And then imagine the angst. "ZOMG The Government killed my dad cos he wasn't notifiied, <nash><nash><angst><rage>"

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#1876981 4-Oct-2017 08:59

Wiggum:
This is a great initiative, however one way to sure ruin a good service, with good intention is to spam people unnecessarily with test messages in the middle of the night.

Anybody know how to disable emergency notifications on an iphone? Don't want to be woken up again so early.

You can't. You do realise it wasn't designed to annoy you it is intended to save lives. It was an error not spam

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#1876982 4-Oct-2017 09:00

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profrink: Thankfully on iOS if the device is in silent mode the sound for these don't override that setting.

That's definately an iOS bug as that's not how it's supposed to operate.

There should not be any way to disable or override the notifications or alert on any phone - that's the whole point of the system and the specifications.

Ahh - explains it - I didn't hear the alert, my phone was on silent overnight (in fact, it is always on silent).

I would have thought that if a phone is capable of receiving these messages, the message should be capable of overriding silent settings.

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#1876985 4-Oct-2017 09:03

davidcole:

Wiggum:

This is a great initiative, however one way to sure ruin a good service, with good intention is to spam people unnecessarily with test messages in the middle of the night.

Anybody know how to disable emergency notifications on an iphone? Don't want to be woken up again so early.

The whole point of it is you shouldn't be able to disable it. It everyone did that, what'd be the point, if there was an actual emergency? And then imagine the angst. "ZOMG The Government killed my dad cos he wasn't notifiied, <nash><nash><angst><rage>"

Yea, gathered that now. Question then, will this service notify by location (cell tower), or will everybody in NZ be getting civil emergency messages for occurrences even far away?

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#1876986 4-Oct-2017 09:03

freitasm:

frankv:

News this morning says it was being developed in Europe, so was being tested in the middle of their day.

Right. And we all know how software developer in other countries work well when finally deployed into another timezone.

Right!

And does it not concern anyone that a must-work-first-time emergency alert system

is being developed (and run?) from overseas
is being developed by a bunch of numpties who can't even manage their test and production environments
will depend on a whole of infrastructure that may be destroyed by the emergency it's supposed to alert about
is being developed without consultation or notification to the public
is only going to be available to people who have bought the latest phones. (This message brought to you by Samsung and Apple... "You can rely on us for emergencies").

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#1876989 4-Oct-2017 09:05

MikeB4: After reading comments in media rags and FB I swear some people would complain if you woke them up to tell them their house was on fire.

I seriously can't believe the faux outrage!

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#1876990 4-Oct-2017 09:06

Wiggum:

Yea, gathered that now. Question then, will this service notify by location (cell tower), or will everybody in NZ be getting civil emergency messages for occurrences even far away?

Geographic alerts are the core basis of the system so it can alert by cell tower.

It will be interesting to know how this will work (or whether it will work) with femtocell customers.

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#1876995 4-Oct-2017 09:10

frankv:
freitasm:

frankv:

News this morning says it was being developed in Europe, so was being tested in the middle of their day.

Right. And we all know how software developer in other countries work well when finally deployed into another timezone.

Right!

And does it not concern anyone that a must-work-first-time emergency alert system

is being developed (and run?) from overseas

is being developed by a bunch of numpties who can't even manage their test and production environments

will depend on a whole of infrastructure that may be destroyed by the emergency it's supposed to alert about

is being developed without consultation or notification to the public

is only going to be available to people who have bought the latest phones. (This message brought to you by Samsung and Apple... "You can rely on us for emergencies").

1 lots of stuff is developed off shore eg the device you posted from.
2 sheesh one error
3 it is not the sole alert method
4 Why do they need to ask your permission to save lives

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#1876996 4-Oct-2017 09:10

Well I am on Vodafone in Auckland with a iphone7 running IOS 11 and I didn't get an alert. I have checked and ''Emergency Alerts is enabled. so it was a failed test!

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#1876999 4-Oct-2017 09:13

I experienced a version of this in New York last year (genuine weather alert for flooding, not a test) and I was impressed by the idea (as I mentioned on a thread here IIRC) and I am delighted we have finally caught up by implementing this.

I hope, like the US system, it will work on roaming phones as well as local ones - I assume it will just be any phone on the network at the time.

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#1877000 4-Oct-2017 09:13

sbiddle:

Wiggum:

Yea, gathered that now. Question then, will this service notify by location (cell tower), or will everybody in NZ be getting civil emergency messages for occurrences even far away?

Geographic alerts are the core basis of the system so it can alert by cell tower.

It will be interesting to know how this will work (or whether it will work) with femtocell customers.

Thats good news then, I guess its going to take a considerable amount of co-operation between mobile operators, and civil defense. ie the passing on of sensitive information, like mobile numbers + current location. Do we trust civil defense with this sort of information? I'm skeptical, If they testing this service overseas, does that mean this sensitive information is in the hands of whoever has been contracted to implement the system.

/removes tin foil hat.

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