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  Reply # 1877480 4-Oct-2017 21:11
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Minutes can be vital in an emergency and welcome the chance for extra minutes.





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  Reply # 1877495 4-Oct-2017 21:38
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Minutes can be vital in an emergency and welcome the chance for extra minutes.


Sure. Do you want that with a punch in the face, or a reasonable alarm? Do you need three or four alarms going off, or would one do? And what if you were told you don't get that choice, it's punch in the face from 4 alarms or get rid of your phones entirely (and be no worse off than you already were, except without phones)?

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  Reply # 1877496 4-Oct-2017 21:42
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I am OK with what they are doing. I am disabled and I am acutely aware of the need for any edge I can gain.





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I am OK with what they are doing. I am disabled and I am acutely aware of the need for any edge I can gain.


You're ok with it so stuff everyone else then?

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  Reply # 1877500 4-Oct-2017 21:48
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You seem to be the only one with a major issue with it around here. So it might just be stuff you?


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I am OK with what they are doing. I am disabled and I am acutely aware of the need for any edge I can gain.

 


You're ok with it so stuff everyone else then?

 

No not just me. I have communicated with quite few disabled persons who also think the move is very good. But hey you go ahead and enjoy your tantrum.





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  Reply # 1877505 4-Oct-2017 21:56
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You seem to be the only one with a major issue with it around here. So it might just be stuff you?



Heh, yeah I tend to illicit that response. Here's the thing though: even if the vast majority wouldn't take up any options to modify/disable emergency broadcasts, why should it be a thing that's forced? What really is the point in further alienating us crazies on the fringe? Perhaps the government want a new ludite movement?

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MikeB4:


I am OK with what they are doing. I am disabled and I am acutely aware of the need for any edge I can gain.



You're ok with it so stuff everyone else then?


No not just me. I have communicated with quite few disabled persons who also think the move is very good. But hey you go ahead and enjoy your tantrum.



So long as people want to bulldoze over others because of things they're ok with, I will. I will enjoy my tantrum(s). Edit: guy fawlkes in a month. Gotta get my tantrum muscles limber.

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  Reply # 1877510 4-Oct-2017 22:10
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Turn the phone off if you're not bothered about getting a life threatening warning. 

 


I will (well, flight mode). Though, if I had some control over it, I'd pick a less horrifying sound - but that's not an option because apparently big brother needs to control everything. I also wouldn't need to turn on flight mode, so I could still get messages from people if there was _actually_ something I needed to worry about, or if there was a personal emergency among those I care about.

But hey, keep infantilising people & pushing for technological control of everything. Let's all live in the THX-1138 universe.

 

Just get a phone that doesn't support emergency alerts. Then your problems will be solved.

 

 


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  Reply # 1877512 4-Oct-2017 22:14
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Just get a phone that doesn't support emergency alerts. Then your problems will be solved.


 


There won't be any, unless I can go back to the 90s to buy one. This system is used in multiple countries, as far as I can tell it's law in the US, so it's extremely unlikely any phone manufacturer will make any model without it.

@ the majority of people who want these alerts: what actually are you upset about? A few people want choices (yes I realise I seem to be the only one of them here), but I don't think anyone wants to deny you this system. So what's it to you if a few odd balls opt out? Why ridicule? Are you so threatened that one lone voice dissents?

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djtOtago:

Just get a phone that doesn't support emergency alerts. Then your problems will be solved.


 


There won't be any, unless I can go back to the 90s to buy one. This system is used in multiple countries, as far as I can tell it's law in the US, so it's extremely unlikely any phone manufacturer will make any model without it.

@ the majority of people who want these alerts: what actually are you upset about? A few people want choices (yes I realise I seem to be the only one of them here), but I don't think anyone wants to deny you this system. So what's it to you if a few odd balls opt out? Why ridicule? Are you so threatened that one lone voice dissents?


Any iPhone capable of IOS11 (iPhone 5s onward) has an easy off toggle... easy answer for you without going back to the 90’s?

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  Reply # 1877523 4-Oct-2017 22:29
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djtOtago:

 

Just get a phone that doesn't support emergency alerts. Then your problems will be solved.

 

 

 

 

 


There won't be any, unless I can go back to the 90s to buy one. This system is used in multiple countries, as far as I can tell it's law in the US, so it's extremely unlikely any phone manufacturer will make any model without it.

@ the majority of people who want these alerts: what actually are you upset about? A few people want choices (yes I realise I seem to be the only one of them here), but I don't think anyone wants to deny you this system. So what's it to you if a few odd balls opt out? Why ridicule? Are you so threatened that one lone voice dissents?

 

Because those odd balls will still expect someone else to put their life in danger to rescue them, when they could have easily rescued themselves if they got and acted on the warning.


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djtOtago:

Just get a phone that doesn't support emergency alerts. Then your problems will be solved.


 


There won't be any, unless I can go back to the 90s to buy one. This system is used in multiple countries, as far as I can tell it's law in the US, so it's extremely unlikely any phone manufacturer will make any model without it.

@ the majority of people who want these alerts: what actually are you upset about? A few people want choices (yes I realise I seem to be the only one of them here), but I don't think anyone wants to deny you this system. So what's it to you if a few odd balls opt out? Why ridicule? Are you so threatened that one lone voice dissents?


Any iPhone capable of IOS11 (iPhone 5s onward) has an easy off toggle... easy answer for you without going back to the 90’s?

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That's definitely not supposed to actually stop messages, we'll find out when it goes live I guess. Also nothing to stop future updates preventing users from disabling.


I still would like to know if this will only work over carriers, or if messages will also send to "emergency mode only" handsets.

Also, I'm now wondering what shape NZ legislation has taken on this. Are phones going to be prohibited from allowing users to disable/modify emergency messaging? CDs assertion that it won't be possible certainly implies it. And even if not mandatory, what incentives will manufacturers have?

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  Reply # 1877527 4-Oct-2017 22:33
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Just get a phone that doesn't support emergency alerts. Then your problems will be solved.


 


 



There won't be any, unless I can go back to the 90s to buy one. This system is used in multiple countries, as far as I can tell it's law in the US, so it's extremely unlikely any phone manufacturer will make any model without it.

@ the majority of people who want these alerts: what actually are you upset about? A few people want choices (yes I realise I seem to be the only one of them here), but I don't think anyone wants to deny you this system. So what's it to you if a few odd balls opt out? Why ridicule? Are you so threatened that one lone voice dissents?


Because those odd balls will still expect someone else to put their life in danger to rescue them, when they could have easily rescued themselves if they got and acted on the warning.



I could still just as easily smash my phone and stay in danger out of sheer angry stubbornness. And there's any number of reasons people may not get warnings, power cuts to multiple towers for example, so that's still going to happen anyway.

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I could still just as easily smash my phone and stay in danger out of sheer angry stubbornness. And there's any number of reasons people may not get warnings, power cuts to multiple towers for example, so that's still going to happen anyway.

 

Yes. There are any number of reasons be beyond their control,  why some people wont get a warning.

 

But you are choosing not to get the warning, there by potentially giving rescuers more unnecessary work to do.


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