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#2354975 17-Nov-2019 09:21

Was good.

But it knows and talks about the reasoning rationale within it so will likely not get though. PR spin from individuals on the web gets believed over masses of scientists or corporate studies.

That had an independent tester in it, but will likely be shunned cause it's the national broadcaster(?) who arranged it, and they 'never tell truth'

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#2355058 17-Nov-2019 11:04

I was talking to someone who was anti-5G the other day, pointed out that an article in Consumer had said it was safe and I would believe what Consumer said over some self-proclaimed internet "expert". She responded that Consumer only tell people what they want to hear. I guess there's just no changing some people's minds once they're made up.

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#2355283 17-Nov-2019 20:36

no and thats the problem once people have made up their minds its very hard to convince them otherwise. i was kicked from one group for explaining to them about led street lights and how they DONT have 5g on them. 10mins later i was kicked and called a troll. even tho one group they are actively wanting to cut down the towers....

i guess its like the anti vac ppl. they have done their own research and take it for the truth.

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#2355382 17-Nov-2019 21:45

BioNz:

no and thats the problem once people have made up their minds its very hard to convince them otherwise. i was kicked from one group for explaining to them about led street lights and how they DONT have 5g on them. 10mins later i was kicked and called a troll. even tho one group they are actively wanting to cut down the towers....

i guess its like the anti vac ppl. they have done their own research and take it for the truth.

It's actually a bit scary to think there's people running around prepared to cause mayhem based on "fake science". It would seem the "chem trail" nutters have nothing on some of these people.

To me one of the telling points is when someone isn't open to a rational debate and will block the opposing point of view. Sadly, no tragically actually, these people end up in an echo chamber where all they hear/see supports their point of view.

Modern technology, particularly Google, has to shoulder a lot of the blame as search results are factored around what you have searched for and topics you have clicked on previously. Search results will be aligned with what you have previously read online. I suspect most of these people will not know about incognito or similar modes to get an unfiltered search result or won't want to know.

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#2355401 17-Nov-2019 23:35

Technofreak:
Modern technology, particularly Google, has to shoulder a lot of the blame

Read the history of any significant tumultuous events in Europe, massive amounts of overt fake news has been a part of the political landscape for centuries at least. Worst-case it led to pograms and mass lynchings (tens of thousands dead in the most gruesome way possible), which at least today's fake news hasn't managed yet.

While I agree that it's a bad situation, it's not nearly as bad as it has been historically.

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#2355403 17-Nov-2019 23:39

Linux:
Please tell me this is a joke?

Nope, and neither is this DIY UFO detector kit.

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#2355480 18-Nov-2019 08:07

neb:
Technofreak:

Modern technology, particularly Google, has to shoulder a lot of the blame

Read the history of any significant tumultuous events in Europe, massive amounts of overt fake news has been a part of the political landscape for centuries at least. Worst-case it led to pograms and mass lynchings (tens of thousands dead in the most gruesome way possible), which at least today's fake news hasn't managed yet. While I agree that it's a bad situation, it's not nearly as bad as it has been historically.

Yet......

Everyone's been so worried about WW3 kicking off with Iran or India that they have missed Europe's slow decent back into nationalism thats flared up massively under Brexit. EU going to start WW3 and go 3 for 3

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#2355500 18-Nov-2019 08:41

neb:
Linux:
Please tell me this is a joke?

Nope, and neither is this DIY UFO detector kit.

OMG bahahaha that is a crack up!

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#2355702 18-Nov-2019 13:18

Beccara:
Everyone's been so worried about WW3 kicking off with Iran or India that they have missed Europe's slow decent back into nationalism thats flared up massively under Brexit. EU going to start WW3 and go 3 for 3

That's mostly eastern Europe (Poland, Hungary) who haven't known much except semi-totalitarian government and strongmen. Tends to fade again when they look next door and see how much better the other lot are doing, although sometimes it takes decades.

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#2357028 18-Nov-2019 22:46

It’s gathering momentum...this turned up in my Facebook feed tonight.

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#2357031 18-Nov-2019 23:25

Wait...

So someone who studies EMF radiation. Is coming to support the idea someone has not studied EMF radiation enough.

Someone has a dairy laid out wrong.

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#2357034 19-Nov-2019 00:27

Oblivian:
So someone who studies EMF radiation. Is coming to support the idea someone has not studied EMF radiation enough.

He doesn't really study EMF radiation, from his home page he's a sort of academic-without-portfolio, there's "How big wireless made us think that cell phones are safe" which mentions him twice in passing but that's all, something about glyphosate, two old and very old (five and fifteen years ago) rather speculative articles saying we need more research on long-term effects of radiation exposure, and finally the 17-year-old "Non-thermal activation of the hsp27/p38MAPK stress pathway by mobile phone radiation in human endothelial cells: Molecular mechanism for cancer- and blood-brain barrier-related effects" which indicates there might be some effect but we don't know what.

That's not a smoking gun, that's not even a report of a gunshot, it's just "my neighbour thought they heard something a few days ago, but they're not sure. Could have been a dog barking".

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#2357066 19-Nov-2019 08:11

Handsomedan: It’s gathering momentum...this turned up in my Facebook feed tonight.

Was this the same guy on The AM Show this morning?

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#2357122 19-Nov-2019 10:03

It really does fall into the same realms as "the earth is flat, you'll fall off the edge if you go too far".

I guess by this guys name he originates from Eastern Europe which is where a lot of the 5G scaremongering is coming from.

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#2357127 19-Nov-2019 10:06

Technofreak:

It really does fall into the same realms as "the earth is flat, you'll fall off the edge if you go too far".

I guess by this guys name he originates from Eastern Europe which is where a lot of the 5G scaremongering is coming from.

Europe opposes a lot of technology because its not invented there. This seems an extension of their attempts to ruin the rest of the worlds use of technology. Bunch of luddites.

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