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  #174265 29-Oct-2008 00:11
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NonprayingMantis: reading the herald article abotu B&W pricing today something struck me as unusual

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10539709

Black+White chief executive and owner of the company, Johnathan Eele, said 70 per cent of New Zealand's 4.1 million mobile phone users had pre-paid phones compared with 40 per cent internationally.

He said they paid a higher calling rate than users on a 24 or 36-month contract.

The new service offered today offered 30-day maximum contracts, 600 free texts a month and a maximum calling rate of 60 cents a minute.

He said the pre-pay rate at anytime on other networks was normally 89 cents a minute.

"The potential is massive, 70 per cent of New Zealanders are on pre-pay which means they could all move tomorrow."


B&W seem to be really targeting the prepay market from the sound of that article.

so comparing to, say, Telecom it sounds reasonably competitive for prepay peeps at first glance. pay 60c instead of 89c per minute on Go Prepaid.


but...   with prepaid on Telecom (or voda) there is no monthly fee - you pay 89c per minute anytime and that is it.  With B&W it seems you have to pay $30/month then your calls on top of that

http://www.bw.co.nz/plan

The Plan + 600   = $30/month

Access + just pay for calls you make
60 cents per minute to any NZ number anytime
That's 29 cents less than anytime any net mins on most prepay plans
600
texts per month to any NZ mobile at no charge
Extra texts are 20 cents

  

or see here
http://www.bw.co.nz/docs/BW_LOC.pdf

 

The Plan

Monthly Charge

Included NZ Mins

Included NZ Texts

Casual Data MB

Voice and Video Nat

Voice Int - Top 5

Voice Int - other

The Plan + 600

30.00$

0

600

11.25$

0.60$

0.49$

1.39




so aside from the monthly bill vs prepay top up factor which in itself could put some people off, an existing prepay customer is only better off on B&W if you use more than around 70 mins a month - which very few prepay customers actually do, or a lot more than 500 texts per month, which very few prepay cuistomers do.

Assuming $10 text:

Using 20 mins/month
Telecom  89c/min.    20 mins = $17.80 +  $10 text  = $27.80
B&W   60c/min  20 mins = $12 + $30 monthly fee = $42.00
Much Better with Telecom

Using 50 mins/month
Telecom  89c/min.    50 mins = $44.50  +  $10 text  = $54.50
B&W   60c/min  50 mins = $30 + $30 monthly fee = $60.00
Slightly Better with Telecom

Using 70 mins/month
Telecom  89c/min.    70 mins = $62.30  +  $10 text  = $72.30
B&W   60c/min  70 mins = $42 + $30 monthly fee = $72.00
About equal


(anyone want to check my maths?  I might be wrong)


Pretty sure the same applies for voda too – I haven’t checked the numbers though




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  #174270 29-Oct-2008 00:39
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jnimmo: The TelstraClear $20/month plan seems to be much better value than this...


but you can only get the $20/month plan if you also buy broadband and homephone from TelstraClear.... and you are tied to a 24 month contract for all three....




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  #174515 30-Oct-2008 00:35
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The very idea of an "access fee" on prepay plans is ridiculous. It should be "pay for what you use". Otherwise you might as well go on account.



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  #174517 30-Oct-2008 00:42
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Screeb: The very idea of an "access fee" on prepay plans is ridiculous. It should be "pay for what you use". Otherwise you might as well go on account.


It is "on account", there just isn't a term (other than the 30 day disconnection policy)

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  #174519 30-Oct-2008 00:50
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scottjpalmer:
Screeb: The very idea of an "access fee" on prepay plans is ridiculous. It should be "pay for what you use". Otherwise you might as well go on account.


It is "on account", there just isn't a term (other than the 30 day disconnection policy)


I know, it's just that they seem to be marketing it to prepay people. Well, at least the media is.

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  #174529 30-Oct-2008 06:44
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There are many people out there who would be better off moving from prepay to on account plans. For reasons that defy all logic both Vodafone and Telecom actively discourage this by imposing term contracts on all their customers.

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  #174580 30-Oct-2008 10:28
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If they are targeting prepay customers, there is one big flaw: hows does a teenager who doesn't have a credit card move to B+W?




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  #174583 30-Oct-2008 10:42
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Exactly Coffeebaron. Not just that, people who don't like having a direct debit or credit card registered with a company.


sbiddle: There are many people out there who would be better off moving from prepay to on account plans. For reasons that defy all logic both Vodafone and Telecom actively discourage this by imposing term contracts on all their customers.


I think the equation is: (Increased Revenue from Early Termination Charges) > (Possible Loss from Not Gaining More Account Customers)

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  #174585 30-Oct-2008 10:52
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sbiddle: There are many people out there who would be better off moving from prepay to on account plans. For reasons that defy all logic both Vodafone and Telecom actively discourage this by imposing term contracts on all their customers.


they do?


Go Onebill is a telecom plan that imposes no monthly fee, and no term limits.


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  #174596 30-Oct-2008 11:51
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NonprayingMantis:
sbiddle: There are many people out there who would be better off moving from prepay to on account plans. For reasons that defy all logic both Vodafone and Telecom actively discourage this by imposing term contracts on all their customers.


they do?


Go Onebill is a telecom plan that imposes no monthly fee, and no term limits.



OneBill is nothing more than prepay that's automatically billed to your Telecom account. It's not a monthly plan in the sence that it includes nothing and the voice rates are terrible. IMHO it's a prepay plan for Telecom customers who want the convenience os prepay but don't want to worry about topup vouchers.

It also has the requirement of a Telecom landline - something a lot of people don't have.

Unfortunately we have a commerce commission who seem to have issues with bundled landline and mobile plans..



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  #174600 30-Oct-2008 12:27
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sbiddle:

OneBill is nothing more than prepay that's automatically billed to your Telecom account. It's not a monthly plan in the sence that it includes nothing and the voice rates are terrible. IMHO it's a prepay plan for Telecom customers who want the convenience os prepay but don't want to worry about topup vouchers.

It also has the requirement of a Telecom landline - something a lot of people don't have.

 

Not true.  I have had all my stuff swith Orcon for over 12 months and LLU for the past few weeks.  Our Telecom mobiles are still billed  via one bill to our Telecom account.  I checked this here before switching and another orcon customer who went LLU back in February  has the same setup .  So here's hoping things don't change..





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old3eyes: Not true.  I have had all my stuff swith Orcon for over 12 months and LLU for the past few weeks.  Our Telecom mobiles are still billed  via one bill to our Telecom account.  I checked this here before switching and another orcon customer who went LLU back in February  has the same setup .  So here's hoping things don't change..


But as I have no telecom account now i can not get onebill.
That is a loop hole in the telecom system alowing you to continue the mobile after the land line has been disconnected.




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  #174624 30-Oct-2008 14:38
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Can you not go into a store and get an account created? I'd be suprised if you couldn't (because it's a logical thing to allow customers to do!)

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  #174685 30-Oct-2008 17:36
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not afaik for onebill




Hmmmm


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  #174707 30-Oct-2008 18:39
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Regs:
jnimmo: The TelstraClear $20/month plan seems to be much better value than this...


but you can only get the $20/month plan if you also buy broadband and homephone from TelstraClear.... and you are tied to a 24 month contract for all three....


But not a really big deal if you live in the cable area because you're not likely to go backwards ;D

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