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Topic # 192090 26-Feb-2016 13:20
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Please tell me Im reading this wrong, but they want to kill off VoIP in NZ for international calling ?

 

"What's going on at the moment is so harmful to society that there needs to be a regulatory response to it to either make it impossible to make voice over IP calls out of or into New Zealand or at least strengthen the protection so if they do things they shouldn't they can be stopped."

 

 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11596065

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1499809 26-Feb-2016 13:24
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I can't see that happening, as most international transit is Voice over IP.  This sounds like a knee-jerk reaction by someone to a certain technology being abused.


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  Reply # 1499812 26-Feb-2016 13:25
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 Meh. 30s of Googling 'Special Tactics Daniel Ayers' will let you form your own opinion on this call for regulatory response.





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  Reply # 1499825 26-Feb-2016 13:34
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Ah, I see : "In each case the call appears as made locally using a voice over internet technology (VoIP) that converts international calls into local phone calls."

 

Now let's say that was legislated for.

 

Would it prevent bad actors from finding a way around?

 

Would it make the bomb threat any less credible if no calling number was displayed, or an overseas number was displayed?

 

How would a school or otherwise behave differently?

 

How does it make the call any more traceable?


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  Reply # 1499849 26-Feb-2016 13:45
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Of course it wouldn't make any difference. But that has never stopped a politician from taking advantage of a crisis to appear decisive, in the past.





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  Reply # 1499851 26-Feb-2016 13:46
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NZ gets 1000's of calls from Indian Scammers per day from overseas and its basically impossible to block and/or stop them. 

 

These calls can cause just as much damage to people/families etc than fake bomb threats.

 

Are the Government going to stop all these as well?


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  Reply # 1499859 26-Feb-2016 13:52
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LennonNZ:

 

NZ gets 1000's of calls from Indian Scammers per day from overseas and its basically impossible to block and/or stop them. 

 

These calls can cause just as much damage to people/families etc than fake bomb threats.

 

Are the Government going to stop all these as well?

 

 

 

 

The government isn't actually proposing anything. Just some 'expert' who wants his name in the paper.





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  Reply # 1499886 26-Feb-2016 14:28
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 Meh. 30s of Googling 'Special Tactics Daniel Ayers' will let you form your own opinion on this call for regulatory response.

 

 

 

 

Urgh, hes ex-EDS, 'nuff said. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1499891 26-Feb-2016 14:38
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xpd:

 

Urgh, hes ex-EDS, 'nuff said. 

 

 

 

Well.. so are we Gav. tongue-out


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Hahahaha. Just outed yourself as an absolutely techno ignorant...

 

No legislation that prevents has ever really prevented nefarious doings. There is always a way around. alll it does in inconvenience citizens and make $$$ for vendors that deliver lacking solutions. The worlds governments are peppered with them.

 

Counter suggestion, how about paying police investigators a descent wage and sending them on training? You might end up with a force that can actually do proper investigation, as they should. Not building walls because they can't cope otherwise (this is not NZ but OECD gneral). All I see is police budgets being docked.


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  Reply # 1499909 26-Feb-2016 15:05
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rphenix:

 

xpd:

 

Urgh, hes ex-EDS, 'nuff said. 

 

 

 

Well.. so are we Gav. tongue-out

 

 

Exactly, I know how some of their "experts" were, only good guys were us on the internal support teams ;)

 

 

 

But seriously, stating to essentially block VoIP? He must still use dialup and hasnt realized the 80's are over.

 

 

 

 





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While you can't stop calls coming into NZ, you can look at ensuring that NZ numbers are only allocated to people from inside NZ and/or sold to people who can provide ID. Many countries have exactly these rules in place. Under NAD rules a call should still really only originate from the LICA in which is belongs - something impossible to enforce in the VoIP world. Should a random individual in the US however be able to simply buy a NZ phone number and be able to sue this from anywhere in the world with no form of ID?

 

Lots of Microsoft scammers calls originate friom inside NZ due to one VoIP provider in particular who will essentially provide SIP trunks to anybody. Should this change?


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  Reply # 1499921 26-Feb-2016 15:22
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While you can't stop calls coming into NZ, you can look at ensuring that NZ numbers are only allocated to people from inside NZ and/or sold to people who can provide ID. Many countries have exactly these rules in place. Under NAD rules a call should still really only originate from the LICA in which is belongs - something impossible to enforce in the VoIP world. Should a random individual in the US however be able to simply buy a NZ phone number and be able to sue this from anywhere in the world with no form of ID?

 

Lots of Microsoft scammers calls originate friom inside NZ due to one VoIP provider in particular who will essentially provide SIP trunks to anybody. Should this change?

 

 

 

 

You're absolutely correct that NZ providers who are being ... flexible ... need to stop that. But heavy handed regulation would risk driving the problem further underground. SIM boxes aren't that hard to come by.





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I think this would be technically do-able, but would require all the Telco's to behave right - it would only one outfit more interested in the money than the ethics to make it impossible.

 

If every carrier rejected every call that it could easily tell was not what it purported to be, then I suspect it would at least largely 'fix' the problem.

 

By "easily tell was not what it purported to be", I mean things like:

 

  • the calling number says it's +61..., but it's not coming from Oz;
  • the calling number says it's from my network, but it's coming in from outside;
  • the calling number says it's from <another local Telco>, but it's not presenting on the inter-network tie I have with <other local Telco>.

But it does take everyone to play the same game, or a regulator with enough teeth (and big enough balls), to make everyone play the same game.
Pity, that

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Apologies for formatting, the bullets look fine in the edit screen, but completely bollixed when posted

 

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  Reply # 1499954 26-Feb-2016 16:04
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That whole thing seems to be a waste of electrons. If dicks are going to be dicks I don't think there is much that can be sensibly done.





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  Reply # 1499955 26-Feb-2016 16:09
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Scammers have been using IDs that show norwegian cell phone numbers in Norway. These are calls coming from outside of Norway with spoofed IDs. From what I can understand the same problem exist in New Zealand.

 

Banning foreigners from getting New Zealand numbers won't help the issue, because they don't have to obtain the number to be able to show a New Zealand phone number.

 

Seems like a serious problem with the phone systems, if you ask me.





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