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  #437394 9-Feb-2011 19:14
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Honestly it not about who you use plenty of options out there to suit all needs, WxC is aimed at mass market PSTN replacement built around carrier grade equipment, others are more bring your own, why possibly because it's very easy to do the basics, We supply a configured device option as this takes the hassle away for the custys, we want this technology to succeed and replace the PSTN, to do that it needs to prove it is capable of doing just that, achieving that requires a model where configs just work leaving it for eveybody to configure there own is not a model that will ever replace the PSTN and will never offer a long term quality solution.

I'm technical not sales I worry about it all working correctly not about signing custys (Sorry Cecil (CEO) he will have words with me if he reads that) but what I want to see is people being aware of good deployment models, the technology is incredibly easy to stand up and make a phone call, password and sip server and away you go, making it robust, secure and interoped so it works correctly for our customers all the way out to the PSTN is a lot harder and should not be taken lightly, I'm afraid it takes take a skill set that you don't learn in 5 minutes unfortunately, you do need a back ground to make it all work together.

You have a different view of how this technology should be deployed, I don't agree but always happy to discuss, good luck to you in your efforts, just not 100% sure I would want you to sell me a SIP solution though with some of your theories, throwing more bandwidth at a problem is not a theory I subscribe to Wink




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  #437406 9-Feb-2011 19:28
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DonGould: I've personally found, from a decade of bagging vendors on public forums, that stuff gets better and they make improvements faster!

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The problem in this case is that Cisco have done absolutely nothing wrong and yet you're bagging them. Everything you could possibly need to know about the products and provisioning is publically available on the Cisco site or elsewhere on the internet, yet to be honest you don't seem willing to look for it. If you don't believe that's enough become a Cisco Partner and you'll gain access to a wealth of other knowledge and expertise.




 
 
 
 


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  #437411 9-Feb-2011 19:33
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DonGould: No.  Very few people care at all about chatty protocols in the network.  More often than not we just upgrade everything to deal with it.



I'd hate to see a network you'd build then, ARP traffic alone can be a massive problem. TCL learnt the hard way when they followed your logic and built their entire HFC network as a single massive layer 2 bridge. It took several years and millions of dollars to VLAN the network to eliminate the issues.




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  #437429 9-Feb-2011 19:52
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sbiddle:  you don't seem willing to look for it.


I have spent hours trolling the net for info on this PATAT2 that I have, hours and hours. 

I've been to sites with dead links back to Cisco web sites.  I've read forum posts with questions I had to find that people just don't have answers. 

I didn't really want to get into a session on Cisco, but really...  the number of times I've been told recently to look at x rather than Cisco is just getting silly.  Routers, switches, ATAs, the list goes on.

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  #437436 9-Feb-2011 19:57
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sbiddle: I'd hate to see a network you'd build then, ARP traffic alone can be a massive problem. TCL learnt the hard way when they followed your logic and built their entire HFC network as a single massive layer 2 bridge. It took several years and millions of dollars to VLAN the network to eliminate the issues.


lol... I didn't know that.  Were they not able to bill the ARP traffic to their customers?




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  #437439 9-Feb-2011 19:59
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DonGould:
sbiddle:  you don't seem willing to look for it.


I have spent hours trolling the net for info on this PATAT2 that I have, hours and hours. 

D


Everything you could need to know about provisioning Linksys and Cisco devices is on the Cisco website, 99% of it doesn't even need a login now which used to be the case to gain access to the SPC tools.


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  #437444 9-Feb-2011 20:02
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Cool, ya, you did say that about 4 pages back :) Now I know what I'm looking for I will have a look. Sorry, I didn't miss your comment the first 3 times. If you know where specifically on the site and have a handy link that would help, but I will go have a look either way.

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  #437474 9-Feb-2011 20:30
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DonGould: Cool, ya, you did say that about 4 pages back :) Now I know what I'm looking for I will have a look. Sorry, I didn't miss your comment the first 3 times. If you know where specifically on the site and have a handy link that would help, but I will go have a look either way.

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Typing something logical like "SPA provisioning" into the Cisco search box might deliver some magic.


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  #437549 9-Feb-2011 22:36
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DonGould:
sbiddle: I'd hate to see a network you'd build then, ARP traffic alone can be a massive problem. TCL learnt the hard way when they followed your logic and built their entire HFC network as a single massive layer 2 bridge. It took several years and millions of dollars to VLAN the network to eliminate the issues.


lol... I didn't know that.  Were they not able to bill the ARP traffic to their customers?


No, this wouldn't be suitable because this is not customer traffic, so why should it be billed?

The problem is that ARP traffic alone caused routers to freeze, drop packets and in some cases even counted towards users' alloweance.

Many domestic grade routers do not have enough capacity to handle too much traffic, and ARP was killing it.

That's why I said two pages behind that your networks plans are not suitable,

 




 

 

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  #437595 10-Feb-2011 07:51
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Heres your admin quide for the 2102 as I guess you didn't have this either ?

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/csbpvga/ata/administration/guide/ATA_AG_v3_NC-WEB.pdf




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  #437621 10-Feb-2011 09:16
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Cheers Phil, now that's what I call helpful! :)

It's helpful because I trust that you know the docs and know exactly what I should be looking for.

The fact that it takes the competitor of the supplier I'm using currently to provide it is a really good indicator to anyone else reading this thread later.





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DonGould:
If you were to resell WxC services,


Holly crap...  resell... so far I haven't even been able to figure out how to just buy a service for me to trial it! 

Did I really fail to make that point?



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