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#708200 29-Oct-2012 08:50

sidefx:
linw:
But my W8 setup has a problem as IE just doesn't run. Tried in safe mode but still no-go. Also tried removing and re-adding IE but that had no effect, either. The event viewer says the offending module is ntdll.dll. Can't find anything to help with this so will have to keep looking. Would like to re-install IE10 but can't find a way of doing this.

Maybe try the "Refresh your PC" feature? It's maybe a bit brute force if you're only having trouble with IE but you can get to it by hitting windows key - enter "refresh" then under settings.

EDIT: More details of refresh and recimg:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5630/indepth-with-the-windows-8-consumer-preview/7
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/windows-8-refresh-great-feature-if-you-know-the-limitations-190100

Is it only IE you're having issues with? Or all metro apps. I had issues with metro apps and found that my version of Avast was out of date - apparently it was blocking all network access for metro apps so they would close almost immediately on trying to open them. An update of avast fixed that.

Thanks for reply, sidefx.

I only seem to have a problem with IE. I have now found that IE will run if I start W8 in safe mode with networking. That seems to imply that some program or service I run is conflicting. This is also reinforced by my problem seeming to be unique.

I have tried cutting startups out and stopping some non-windows services but nothing I have done so far has made IE run. I even cut out something essential using msconfig that stopped W8 booting! Bugger. But thank goodness for a Macrium Reflect image.

I'll just keep at it but must admit I have run out of ideas on how to better isolate the problem.

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#708202 29-Oct-2012 08:53

I have read before of non genuine versions of windows (made out to be just copies) being infected with deep-rooted spyware, including keyloggers etc.. This will not be picked up by your normal ant-virus and anti-spyware programs.

Crud, I hadn't even thought of that! As it happened I also wanted to upgrade my HTPC so I went and bought the DVD version of the upgrade at Harvey Norman, it came with 32-bit and 64-bit disks so I was able to re-install a clean version from that. All sorted now!

My first WMC key took about a day to arrive, still waiting on the second one...

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#708207 29-Oct-2012 09:04

I grabbed the $50 Windows 8 Pro upgrade off windows.com in the weekend to try it out on my HP Laptop (dv6-3034tx if I remember right).
Install took around an hour, pretty much ran into problems right away:
A number of programs needed reinstalling incl office 2010
Couldn't find an updated video driver from HP (to them my laptop model doesn't exist)
I think windows 8 tried to self-reinstall the catalyst software but in the process it killed my display so the only way I could see Windows 8 was to boot into safe mode.

Ended up rolling back to Windows 7, am not game enough to try the upgrade again but from the small time I had it running fine I much prefer the "classic" windows interface, to me the change is too big/much where plenty of re-learning has to be done.

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#708208 29-Oct-2012 09:05

Just go to AMD.com and install the AMD drivers from there THEN update to Windows 8. I haven't used HP or Dell drivers for years now, they never update theirs...

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#708213 29-Oct-2012 09:27

freitasm: Just go to AMD.com and install the AMD drivers from there THEN update to Windows 8. I haven't used HP or Dell drivers for years now, they never update theirs...

Tried that but the update util says I need to go back to the manufacture for drivers.
HP does state on their website tho pretty much no guarantee win 8 will work on their gear prior to mid 2011 if I remember right

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#708226 29-Oct-2012 09:51

DjShadow: Tried that but the update util says I need to go back to the manufacture for drivers.
HP does state on their website tho pretty much no guarantee win 8 will work on their gear prior to mid 2011 if I remember right

They do love to cover their butts with disclaimers don't they? Luckily for me it works perfectly on my 6 year old laptop (HP NX9420). I performed a simple upgrade to W8 Pro and even the 4 CAD programs (am an architectural student) appear to be working perfectly as does Office 2010. No hiccups yet. I'm guessing we'll start seeing more problems as people try it out and the inevitable program/system conflicts start to appear. Could you find a similar model to yours and use that driver?

I guess it's a hit and miss affair with drivers, but with the upgrade fixing my card reader's SDHC support (broken for me in W7) and otherwise working perfectly I'm very pleased. Loving the new UI too.

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#708233 29-Oct-2012 10:06

K1000716:
DjShadow: Tried that but the update util says I need to go back to the manufacture for drivers.
HP does state on their website tho pretty much no guarantee win 8 will work on their gear prior to mid 2011 if I remember right

They do love to cover their butts with disclaimers don't they? Luckily for me it works perfectly on my 6 year old laptop (HP NX9420). I performed a simple upgrade to W8 Pro and even the 4 CAD programs (am an architectural student) appear to be working perfectly as does Office 2010. No hiccups yet. I'm guessing we'll start seeing more problems as people try it out and the inevitable program/system conflicts start to appear. Could you find a similar model to yours and use that driver?

I guess it's a hit and miss affair with drivers, but with the upgrade fixing my card reader's SDHC support (broken for me in W7) and otherwise working perfectly I'm very pleased. Loving the new UI too.

Lee

How are you finding the boot-up speed? I found it no different to Windows 7

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#708238 29-Oct-2012 10:24

DjShadow: How are you finding the boot-up speed? I found it no different to Windows 7

No noticeable difference for me. My machine has a very slow boot, probably needs a good wipe and to have everything reloaded (not going to happen soon). Performance once running is fine.

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#708240 29-Oct-2012 10:26

Anybody know of a decent comparison site that shows between XP, Win 7, and Win 8, what different features each one has and how they perform under various benchmark tests etc.

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#708249 29-Oct-2012 10:33

DjShadow: How are you finding the boot-up speed? I found it no different to Windows 7

The new boot up speed will rely on two factors:

- Hibernate must be on so that storage of current stacks can be done
- In additional to this speed gain, UEFI boot will short the POST time as well

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#708251 29-Oct-2012 10:42

At last, found a forum thread with others with the same IE crashing/not starting problem as me (nice to know you have company!).

It is caused by the Logitech Webcam software. Uninstalled that and, bingo, problem went away.

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#708261 29-Oct-2012 10:50

linw: At last, found a forum thread with others with the same IE crashing/not starting problem as me (nice to know you have company!).

It is caused by the Logitech Webcam software. Uninstalled that and, bingo, problem went away.

Thanks for that. I have the logitech software too..
Will uninstall it tonight

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#708263 29-Oct-2012 11:00

freitasm:
DjShadow: How are you finding the boot-up speed? I found it no different to Windows 7

The new boot up speed will rely on two factors:

- Hibernate must be on so that storage of current stacks can be done
- In additional to this speed gain, UEFI boot will short the POST time as well

So instead of actually turning off you mean to use Hibernate instead? Or just have the "Turn on fast start-up" option enabled in the shutdown settings(which I have).
My laptop is old and full of stuff so I was never expecting fast boot times. I also normally use the sleep option rather than shutting down (much faster).

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#708269 29-Oct-2012 11:16

K1000716:
freitasm:
DjShadow: How are you finding the boot-up speed? I found it no different to Windows 7

The new boot up speed will rely on two factors:

- Hibernate must be on so that storage of current stacks can be done
- In additional to this speed gain, UEFI boot will short the POST time as well

So instead of actually turning off you mean to use Hibernate instead? Or just have the "Turn on fast start-up" option enabled in the shutdown settings(which I have).
My laptop is old and full of stuff so I was never expecting fast boot times. I also normally use the sleep option rather than shutting down (much faster).

Lee

You shutdown as usual. If hibernate is enabled in the power configuration (powercfg -h on) then Windows 8 will use some parts of the hibernate feature to store some data tht will make subsequent boots faster.

Read about Fast Startup here.

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#708660 29-Oct-2012 20:07

Hi there,

I have been reading this thread and found it very informative so I signed up to see if I can find some answers for questions I have.

What are the physical memory limits of the different versions of 8?

I am looking at buying a system that has windows 8 installed, however I have windows XP and activation code so could buy the system without the operating system and instal then upgrade to windows 8 pro.

What are the differences between windows 8 and windows 8 pro? Any reccomendations?

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