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  #800893 17-Apr-2013 12:28
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TwoSeven: On the other point, the default option I was presented with when upgrading to win 8 was that my email address was requried to log in (this I suspect ties the OS and user data to the cloud) which I am not keen on. The menu for local acounts was not obvious. Using the email thing is ok for a tablet (I dont need to do it on my Ipad though as an example) but for a desktop I prefer the local login, then type a credential if accessing an online service.


It's optional. Once you switch to Local Account you continue as usual.

There's no "cloud enforcement" anywhere.





 

 

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  #800906 17-Apr-2013 12:46
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nathan: You're never going to be able to sell something if you hate it, your heart wont be in it



this is a interesting discussion to hear your guys feedback



I've seen older folk love Win8 when they get used to it. They love the big tiles that are easier to click, they can have just the apps they use pinned to start in a logical order that makes sense to them. they can have their kids and grandkids Facebook profiles pinned as a tile and photos cycling around as a tile



once they got used to the change they wondered why they ever were hunting and pecking around a tiny little start menu with a mouse.


It depends on the demographics. I would suggest that the majority of people on the planet are not computer savvy and would be happy with simple images/email/web. I would also suggest that this demographic would be happy with a smartphone/tablet/smart tv or even a pencil and paper.




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  #801171 17-Apr-2013 19:36
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I might switch back to it when 8.1 comes out. After all, I paid for the thing. I'll probably wait a bit though, just in case.

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  #801175 17-Apr-2013 19:51
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TwoSeven: On the other point, the default option I was presented with when upgrading to win 8 was that my email address was requried to log in (this I suspect ties the OS and user data to the cloud) which I am not keen on. The menu for local acounts was not obvious. Using the email thing is ok for a tablet (I dont need to do it on my Ipad though as an example) but for a desktop I prefer the local login, then type a credential if accessing an online service.


It's optional. Once you switch to Local Account you continue as usual.

There's no "cloud enforcement" anywhere.



Technically it is optional - so long as you are a tech savy person that knows what the other options are for. But If you enter an email, your account is tied to the cloud.




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  #801194 17-Apr-2013 20:08
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TwoSeven:
freitasm:
TwoSeven: On the other point, the default option I was presented with when upgrading to win 8 was that my email address was requried to log in (this I suspect ties the OS and user data to the cloud) which I am not keen on. The menu for local acounts was not obvious. Using the email thing is ok for a tablet (I dont need to do it on my Ipad though as an example) but for a desktop I prefer the local login, then type a credential if accessing an online service.


It's optional. Once you switch to Local Account you continue as usual.

There's no "cloud enforcement" anywhere.



Technically it is optional - so long as you are a tech savy person that knows what the other options are for. But If you enter an email, your account is tied to the cloud.


It doesn't tie the OS to anything. It doesn't even tie my account to the cloud because I can work without any Internet connection. It just makes it easier to sync your account's local data with cloud storage so it needs your account details just the same as required by other services from Google, etc.

You can change it to a local account in PC Settings which you can also get to via Control Panel | User Accounts and Family Safety | User Accounts | Make changes to my account in PC Settings.

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  #801465 18-Apr-2013 11:22
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freitasm:
TwoSeven: On the other point, the default option I was presented with when upgrading to win 8 was that my email address was requried to log in (this I suspect ties the OS and user data to the cloud) which I am not keen on. The menu for local acounts was not obvious. Using the email thing is ok for a tablet (I dont need to do it on my Ipad though as an example) but for a desktop I prefer the local login, then type a credential if accessing an online service.


It's optional. Once you switch to Local Account you continue as usual.

There's no "cloud enforcement" anywhere.



Technically it is optional - so long as you are a tech savy person that knows what the other options are for. But If you enter an email, your account is tied to the cloud.


It doesn't tie the OS to anything. It doesn't even tie my account to the cloud because I can work without any Internet connection. It just makes it easier to sync your account's local data with cloud storage so it needs your account details just the same as required by other services from Google, etc.

You can change it to a local account in PC Settings which you can also get to via Control Panel | User Accounts and Family Safety | User Accounts | Make changes to my account in PC Settings.

I understand what you are saying, but I believe you might be missing the point - if it the intention was not to tie ones account to the cloud they wouldnt have given one the option to type in an email address in the first place. By default email addresses require people to be online to use them. Just because they give the option to turn it off later or to work offline, doesn't remove the requirement that at some stage, one needs to be online.


b.t.w. I am also not talking about in terms of 'always connected' services such as set-top boxes, IP TVs, Web Connected Tablets, Smartphones and public cloud storage.







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  #802048 19-Apr-2013 08:26
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TwoSeven:
Hammerer:
TwoSeven:
freitasm:
TwoSeven: On the other point, the default option I was presented with when upgrading to win 8 was that my email address was requried to log in (this I suspect ties the OS and user data to the cloud) which I am not keen on. The menu for local acounts was not obvious. Using the email thing is ok for a tablet (I dont need to do it on my Ipad though as an example) but for a desktop I prefer the local login, then type a credential if accessing an online service.


It's optional. Once you switch to Local Account you continue as usual.

There's no "cloud enforcement" anywhere.



Technically it is optional - so long as you are a tech savy person that knows what the other options are for. But If you enter an email, your account is tied to the cloud.


It doesn't tie the OS to anything. It doesn't even tie my account to the cloud because I can work without any Internet connection. It just makes it easier to sync your account's local data with cloud storage so it needs your account details just the same as required by other services from Google, etc.

You can change it to a local account in PC Settings which you can also get to via Control Panel | User Accounts and Family Safety | User Accounts | Make changes to my account in PC Settings.

I understand what you are saying, but I believe you might be missing the point - if it the intention was not to tie ones account to the cloud they wouldnt have given one the option to type in an email address in the first place. By default email addresses require people to be online to use them. Just because they give the option to turn it off later or to work offline, doesn't remove the requirement that at some stage, one needs to be online.


I was pointing out that "It doesn't tie the OS" except in the loosest sense of the term. Your PC, OS and account can function independently of the online component or link.

As has already been pointed out, you didn't have to provide an email address in the first place. If you knew that "By default email addresses require people to be online to use them" then why did you provide it?

Yes, Microsoft could make it more obvious to create a local account. I found it easy enough and my elderly father also managed to do it when he is definitely not "tech savy" as he normally has real difficulty with computers.

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  #805403 25-Apr-2013 12:08
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Can anyone recall the name of the food/recipe app included in the beta version of Windows 8?

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  #805405 25-Apr-2013 12:10
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Interesting that I am reading today that Microsoft managed to capture 7.5% of tablet market already, a lot faster than the smartphone market.

Apple iOS and Android still lead at more than 40% each.





 

 

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freitasm: Interesting that I am reading today that Microsoft managed to capture 7.5% of tablet market already, a lot faster than the smartphone market.

Apple iOS and Android still lead at more than 40% each.



I'm not surprised about the tablet market being better than the smartphone market for Microsoft. I see the tablet market piggy backing on the installed laptop PC market and I would expect a corporate following for the tablets partly because of this.  The smartphone market is a bit more personal and the incumbents had a very big head start.




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  #809968 2-May-2013 09:04
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And more commentary on this... ZDNet now calls Windows 8 is Microsoft's New Coke.






 

 

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freitasm: And more commentary on this... ZDNet now calls Windows 8 is Microsoft's New Coke.




 

I'm not saying I love 'Metro' apps, but Windows 8 isn't the 'new coke,' it's just been out 6 months and has a bad stigma from 'techies' who have tried it for 20 minutes and then told all of their friends how terrible Windows 8.  Compared to Windows 7 my machine feels smoother, is more polished when it comes to UI (in desktop mode).   I would challenge 'techies' to USE the the OS for more a month or more.   

Journalists are writing these stories because they get lots of views and comments...

 

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freitasm: And more commentary on this... ZDNet now calls Windows 8 is Microsoft's New Coke.




I'm not saying I love 'Metro' apps, but Windows 8 isn't the 'new coke,' it's just been out 6 months and has a bad stigma from 'techies' who have tried it for 20 minutes and then told all of their friends how terrible Windows 8.  Compared to Windows 7 my machine feels smoother, is more polished when it comes to UI (in desktop mode).   I would challenge 'techies' to USE the the OS for more a month or more.   

Journalists are writing these stories because they get lots of views and comments...



It's exactly this word of mouth that is making everyone think it's something to stay clear off. Granted it's faster than Windows 7. I use it and installed Start 8 to disable the new interface and give me back some well known functionality.

Now, word of mouth is a very strong marketing, or non-marketing, strategy. If Microsoft can't make developers and IT users LOVE its product, there is no way these folks are going to go around saying good things about the product.

These stories come out to get views as any other story, so that's not enough good reason to dismiss what's clearly happening: this time Microsoft did not make a product people like and advocate for.





 

 

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now I have my server up and running I will put my main laptop back to Windows 8.   A lot of people who rubbish Windows 8 havent even tried it, they just go by what they have read.    The only gripes I have are that the image backup wouldnt work. It would make the image but then wouldnt find it. Now I have the server and then data from that backed up its not so important.
The second is the internet on many pages the connection times out and you have to reset connection.  This even happens on the neighbours new Windows 8 laptop.  Maybe that will be fixed but can live with it after all only around 30 seconds time.  It is also nice how it integrates with Xbox live




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It's exactly this word of mouth that is making everyone think it's something to stay clear off. Granted it's faster than Windows 7. I use it and installed Start 8 to disable the new interface and give me back some well known functionality.

Now, word of mouth is a very strong marketing, or non-marketing, strategy. If Microsoft can't make developers and IT users LOVE its product, there is no way these folks are going to go around saying good things about the product.

These stories come out to get views as any other story, so that's not enough good reason to dismiss what's clearly happening: this time Microsoft did not make a product people like and advocate for.



Computer sales are falling because manufacturers are focusing on selling higher end machines that cost more and last longer, and now tablets are the 'yearly' purchase - Microsoft's consumer license sales are from PC sales.  The Windows 8 does both 'desktop' and 'tablet' mode so users can have that flexibility to use all of their applications on all of their Intel/AMD computers/tablets.  

The technology community views itself as forward thinking I believe, but here is an example of it's unwillingness to adapt and support forward thinking software.  

I think over the next year, as consumers become more aware and comfortable with Windows 8's new form factor offerings, as well as the arrival of Windows 8.1 (SP1?) Windows 8 will make more sense.

 

 

 

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