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  # 66251 4-Apr-2007 10:37
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10 cls
20 rem understanding program
30 let M$ = "microsoft"
40 end


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# 66255 4-Apr-2007 10:44
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actually the bug is at line 30.

error: unusable string dataWink

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  # 66256 4-Apr-2007 11:01
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This is way, way off topic, but back in the days of BASIC on the ZX81, when I was a teenager, a friend and I would do what is now known as 'extreme programming'. That is, we would program as a pair. He would say "M-string" and I would type M dollar. We did this week in, week out. We also entered programs printed in magazines: he would read them out and I would type them, or vice versa.

I lived in Britain then, and the dollar sign came to mean 'string' to me rather than money, and it is so deeply ingrained, that when I read perl code today I read variables as 'string-this' and 'string-that' rather than 'dollar-this' and 'dollar-that' ...

Oddly enough, I don't go round shops thinking, "That's cheap, it's only 5 strings!"


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  # 66324 4-Apr-2007 18:43
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professionalnet: M$

You mean Microsoft (MSFT) right? I know it's common use in some circles, but rather not use this around. It makes people think there's an already established prejudice in the comments, lowering the "score". I know, I know...

Rather not use this around Geekzone forums?  Why?  If the poster has a prejudice for or against a company then aren't they entitled to express their opinion?

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  # 66331 4-Apr-2007 19:32
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Yeah I see your point as I can sympithyise with the Telescum thing, but I personaly don't think M$ is anywhere as bad.  Each to his own I guess.

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  # 68102 23-Apr-2007 02:07
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OK well I guess you need to factor in the alternatives when looking at Vista. I could rant & rave about Linux but probably the best thing to say is that Linux is free..

And doesn't have DRM. My $0.02.

EDIT: In regards to that BASIC thing. Its funny I had a similar problem. I would always make the 's' sound when referring to INKEY$ and so on. I'd say 'inkeez'.
Its funny what programming syntax does to your literacy skills.

I remember getting extremly confused learning vectors in 4th form maths because QBASIC renderd the vertical co-ordinants with 0 being top yet in school, subtracting numbers meant the location would go south.

*Sigh* QBASIC life.

Edit: QBASIC pwns ur mom.

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  # 68105 23-Apr-2007 07:38
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I won't be 'upgrading' to Vista. XP runs nicely on my computer, no sense in changing things (especially since the main pro appears to be a slicker, prettier, interface).

Providing you have a good Firewall (Zonelabs), Antivirus (Kaspersky), Anti-malware/adware (adaware), system utility (ACE utilities), and defragger (Perfect Disc) and keep your scheduled maintenance going theres no reason for your XP computer not to run perfectly. I imagine that you still need to have all those things on a Vista computer also for that matter. . .

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  # 69510 4-May-2007 14:04
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I'm often struck by how little operating systems have advanced in terms of general ease of use since the birth of the of personal computing 25 odd years ago. A lot of the the tasks, such as word processing, seemed much easy and more to the point, faster,on the Commmodore 64 I had in 1983.

While there is no doubt that the pc has lead to a huge advances in productivity I'd argue that a lot of further potential is  being wasted in overly convoluted interfaces and poor task management within computers.

Having played around with the Playstation 3 for a month or so I can see the potential for an interface like the X Media Bar with further development to provide all the functions the average user needs in a much more efficient way.

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  # 69552 4-May-2007 21:04
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Interesting post stuzzo.

I had thought that also. What had sorta added to my impression of interfaces staying the same was because XP has been around for such a good while without any kind of 'face lift' for Windows. I know that there has been many a skins etc but the point is that the majority of people's computers (XP home/pro) have looked exactly the same for however many years its been.

While all this time 3D graphics capabilities for home computers have gotten to the point where they can trick people.

Have a look at Beryl. I'd been goofing around with all the settings lately and it's more than eye-candy. It actually provides some good usability features.

For one thing, I don't alt-tab anymore. Putting the mouse in the corner of the screen makes all the apps just zoom out and you can click the one you want.

And the input-enabled zoom is pretty neat. Just hold the windows-key (err super-key) and scroll the mouse wheel. Can zoom in-out without any silly additional window on the screen.

It feels like the desktop has broken out of its fixed-resolution restraints and is more fluid & dynamic. If you get me. I don't really understand the -point- to the cube thing, though. Multiple desktops are common enough in 2D.

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