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  # 973187 23-Jan-2014 21:07
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deepred: From past experience, Vista, for all its issues, didn't seem to cause the kind of desktop/laptop slump that's been associated with Windows 8.

Vista didn't look very "different" from earlier OSs.
Windows 8 looks totally different in the showroom.




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  # 973193 23-Jan-2014 21:17
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deepred: From past experience, Vista, for all its issues, didn't seem to cause the kind of desktop/laptop slump that's been associated with Windows 8.

Vista didn't look very "different" from earlier OSs.
Windows 8 looks totally different in the showroom.


Yes, but Vista had stability and performance issues. Win 8 doesnt have those. It has a new, thats not the same issues, big difference. IMHO 

 
 
 
 


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  # 973210 23-Jan-2014 21:27
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deepred: From past experience, Vista, for all its issues, didn't seem to cause the kind of desktop/laptop slump that's been associated with Windows 8.


I don't think it's fair to blame Windows 8 for all of the slump in PC sales, they were declining anyway.  Sure Windows 8 has contributed.




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  # 973226 23-Jan-2014 22:15
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*IF* microsoft put a built in switch - on/off the metro/apps, everyone on this earth will be extremely happy.





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  # 973264 23-Jan-2014 23:37
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nakedmolerat: *IF* microsoft put a built in switch - on/off the metro/apps, everyone on this earth will be extremely happy.


And your definition of 'everyone on earth' is based on?????

BTW you dont actually have to use or even see the Metro UI if you dont want to. 



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  # 973361 24-Jan-2014 09:27
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MaxLV: BTW you dont actually have to use or even see the Metro UI if you dont want to.


For the average user, completely disabling Metro is not an option.

Personally, I don't mind metro, and could probably even get used to driving it with a mouse.  The issue is for the stuff I do, I'm constantly switching between Metro and desktop.  Even Microsoft can't seem to write standalone metro apps.  I started out running Metro IE for the full screen experience, but after the third "sorry, you need desktop IE for this" I gave up and just used it on the desktop.

I tried to like Windows 8, but while there is no incentive for app developers to write good Metro UI versions of their current Windows applications, Windows 8 will be two UI's duct-taped awkwardly together.

All this debate is somewhat moot though.  Commercially, for Microsoft, Windows 8 is the new Vista.  It ain't selling.

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  # 973371 24-Jan-2014 09:59
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MaxLV: BTW you dont actually have to use or even see the Metro UI if you dont want to.


For the average user, completely disabling Metro is not an option.

Personally, I don't mind metro, and could probably even get used to driving it with a mouse.  The issue is for the stuff I do, I'm constantly switching between Metro and desktop.  Even Microsoft can't seem to write standalone metro apps.  I started out running Metro IE for the full screen experience, but after the third "sorry, you need desktop IE for this" I gave up and just used it on the desktop.

I tried to like Windows 8, but while there is no incentive for app developers to write good Metro UI versions of their current Windows applications, Windows 8 will be two UI's duct-taped awkwardly together.

All this debate is somewhat moot though.  Commercially, for Microsoft, Windows 8 is the new Vista.  It ain't selling.


Win 8 is close to 10% and growing, so yes it is selling, it was never going to have the explosive growth that Win XP and Win 7 had as the competitors now are better than the competitors back in circa 2000 etc. The requirement to upgrade PC's has diminished considerably and many users that purchased PC's solely to surf the Web, Email and Skype etc are now doing  that on Tablets and phones and don't need the wasted resources of a PC.  The primary competitors for MS for desktop/laptop OS is still MS and they still have circa 90% of the desktop market share.




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  # 973375 24-Jan-2014 10:14
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nakedmolerat: *IF* microsoft put a built in switch - on/off the metro/apps, everyone on this earth will be extremely happy.


I would agree with this.

Windows 8 is a tablet/touchscreen OS and a desktop OS.
Make it easy for a user to set it to be one or the other - or let them choose to leave it as it is.




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  # 973376 24-Jan-2014 10:17
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Now walk into Harvey Norman, Noel Leeming, JB Hifi or Dick Smith and try and buy a "Desktop" 



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  # 973381 24-Jan-2014 10:22
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I'm sure Microsoft is worried about our thoughts...








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  # 973382 24-Jan-2014 10:25
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Microsoft Surface revenue more than doubled from $400 million in last quarter to $893 million in current quarter.




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  # 973392 24-Jan-2014 10:27
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hashbrown:
MaxLV: BTW you dont actually have to use or even see the Metro UI if you dont want to.


For the average user, completely disabling Metro is not an option.

Personally, I don't mind metro, and could probably even get used to driving it with a mouse.  The issue is for the stuff I do, I'm constantly switching between Metro and desktop.  Even Microsoft can't seem to write standalone metro apps.  I started out running Metro IE for the full screen experience, but after the third "sorry, you need desktop IE for this" I gave up and just used it on the desktop.

I tried to like Windows 8, but while there is no incentive for app developers to write good Metro UI versions of their current Windows applications, Windows 8 will be two UI's duct-taped awkwardly together.

All this debate is somewhat moot though.  Commercially, for Microsoft, Windows 8 is the new Vista.  It ain't selling.


And you base your definition of the 'Average User' on what again????

Why should the 'Average User' want to 'completely disable' Metro. Why do YOU think they would want to disable it at all?

It is a useful way of accessing Apps and programmes on Windows 8, but it is NOT the only way, and it does not have to be used or even seen by the 'Average User'.

It can be 'completely disabled' by the 'Average User" simply by ticking two boxes on the properties window/ Navigation tab of the Task Bar. They can also switch Metro on or off simply by pressing the Windows key on their keyboard.

As for Windows 8/8.1 not being 'commercial' again what do you base your definition of 'commercial' on?  Go into any major retailer selling Windows based computers to the "Average User' (where most home computers are purchased) and vast majority of those Windows computers have Windows 8/8.1 installed. That is what the average user is buying and presumably using when they get it set up at their home. 

If you're talking about selling to the business/corporate market, then Windows 7 is hardly commercial either, what with Windows XP still being the default OS of choice for desktop computing in the business/corporate market.

I've said it before, These 'arguments' being put up 'against' Windows 8 always 'pop up' with every new version of Windows.  They're always the same, and always based on the presumptions of the author of the opinion rather than the reality.  IOW Nothing to see here folks, move along. 


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  # 973430 24-Jan-2014 11:07
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hashbrown: Now walk into Harvey Norman, Noel Leeming, JB Hifi or Dick Smith and try and buy a "Desktop" 


I was in Harvey Norman's in the weekend they would have had at least 1 dozen Desktop PC's of various types, configurations and Brands.




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  # 973482 24-Jan-2014 12:55
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freitasm: I'm sure Microsoft is worried about our thoughts...

 

 


 

 





it must be a bugger doing that badly :P




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  # 973484 24-Jan-2014 13:01
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KiwiNZ:
hashbrown: Now walk into Harvey Norman, Noel Leeming, JB Hifi or Dick Smith and try and buy a "Desktop" 


I was in Harvey Norman's in the weekend they would have had at least 1 dozen Desktop PC's of various types, configurations and Brands.


All-in-ones don't count. They're just laptops trying to be desktops ;P


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