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  #973489 24-Jan-2014 13:04
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hashbrown: Now walk into Harvey Norman, Noel Leeming, JB Hifi or Dick Smith and try and buy a "Desktop" 


I was in Harvey Norman's in the weekend they would have had at least 1 dozen Desktop PC's of various types, configurations and Brands.


All-in-ones don't count. They're just laptops trying to be desktops ;P



How do all in ones not count?  they are desktop PC's.  They also had the Towers as well. And of course Apple Desktop PC's

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  #973508 24-Jan-2014 13:21
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KiwiNZ: How do all in ones not count?  they are desktop PC's.  They also had the Towers as well. And of course Apple Desktop PC's


My point (as I think you know full well) is how many tablets did you have to walk past to get there? Desktop sales are declining. 10% of a declining market is not a win.

http://bgr.com/2013/04/10/windows-8-pc-shipments-analysis-429262/



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  #973579 24-Jan-2014 14:33
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KiwiNZ: How do all in ones not count?  they are desktop PC's.  They also had the Towers as well. And of course Apple Desktop PC's


My point (as I think you know full well) is how many tablets did you have to walk past to get there? Desktop sales are declining. 10% of a declining market is not a win.

http://bgr.com/2013/04/10/windows-8-pc-shipments-analysis-429262/




I actually agree with you, refer my earlier post stating just that. But there are still plenty of desktops available for those who desire them.



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  #973586 24-Jan-2014 14:40
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Are there any stats on the dollar volume on combined desktop and tablets? To me that's the key stat. People used to replace desktop and laptops, now they still use them but spend that money more on a tablet, which is just another computer. So, is that overall spend steady??

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  #973588 24-Jan-2014 14:43
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tdgeek: Are there any stats on the dollar volume on combined desktop and tablets? To me that's the key stat. People used to replace desktop and laptops, now they still use them but spend that money more on a tablet, which is just another computer. So, is that overall spend steady??


as the average price of a tablet is considerably less than a desktop to do a dollar volume comparison would not give a clear picture, a comparison of units shipped say between 2005 and 2013 including tablets etc would show if unit volume is steady, declining or increasing.

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  #973623 24-Jan-2014 15:44
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MaxLV: And you base your definition of the 'Average User' on what again????


Ma and Pa home user.  Not someone who has ever posted or read this thread.

MaxLV: Why should the 'Average User' want to 'completely disable' Metro. Why do YOU think they would want to disable it at all?


Because others in this thread have been advocating people paying to upgrading to Windows 8 then making it look like Windows 7 was somehow progress.

MaxLV: It is a useful way of accessing Apps and programmes on Windows 8, but it is NOT the only way, and it does not have to be used or even seen by the 'Average User'.

It can be 'completely disabled' by the 'Average User" simply by ticking two boxes on the properties window/ Navigation tab of the Task Bar. They can also switch Metro on or off simply by pressing the Windows key on their keyboard.


I disagree.  You still need a start button replacement. And why bother upgrading your OS if you aren't going to use all the new features?

MaxLV: As for Windows 8/8.1 not being 'commercial' again what do you base your definition of 'commercial' on?  Go into any major retailer selling Windows based computers to the "Average User' (where most home computers are purchased) and vast majority of those Windows computers have Windows 8/8.1 installed. That is what the average user is buying and presumably using when they get it set up at their home. 


As per my other post.  Desktop sales are declining in favour of smartphones and tablets, and MS are losing in those markets.  How far that swing away from desktops continues remains to be seen, but MS could end up the winner of division 2.


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  #973647 24-Jan-2014 16:01
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KiwiNZ: I actually agree with you, refer my earlier post stating just that. But there are still plenty of desktops available for those who desire them.


And there was a point after the invention of the motor car that their were still plenty of good horses available for those who desired them too.

Okay, that stretches the analogy way to far. There will always be a need for keyboards and decent sized screens for anyone doing serious data entry or writing.  But tablets are not the new netbooks. They are not a fad that will disappear.



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  #973656 24-Jan-2014 16:17
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billgates: Microsoft Surface revenue more than doubled from $400 million in last quarter to $893 million in current quarter.


Revenue not profit, and less than half of what it makes from people buying android devices.

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  #973660 24-Jan-2014 16:24
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KiwiNZ: I actually agree with you, refer my earlier post stating just that. But there are still plenty of desktops available for those who desire them.


And there was a point after the invention of the motor car that their were still plenty of good horses available for those who desired them too.

Okay, that stretches the analogy way to far. There will always be a need for keyboards and decent sized screens for anyone doing serious data entry or writing.  But tablets are not the new netbooks. They are not a fad that will disappear.


Yes Tablets will be around for a lot longer than Netbooks.

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I work with school teachers with a wide diversity of technical ability and confidence. While some love it and some hate it, the overall feedback we get from those that have been assigned Windows 8 laptops is negative.

I personally like the cleaner, simpler visuals, but Metro is not very intuitive to a new user or a non-technical user who is used to the traditional UI from Windows 7 and earlier. Hand a non-technical person a Windows 8 computer and an iPad, and they're likely to prefer the iPad (especially if the Win8 device is non-touch or a desktop).

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  #973880 24-Jan-2014 23:45
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hashbrown:
MaxLV: And you base your definition of the 'Average User' on what again????


Ma and Pa home user.  Not someone who has ever posted or read this thread.

MaxLV: Why should the 'Average User' want to 'completely disable' Metro. Why do YOU think they would want to disable it at all?


Because others in this thread have been advocating people paying to upgrading to Windows 8 then making it look like Windows 7 was somehow progress.

MaxLV: It is a useful way of accessing Apps and programmes on Windows 8, but it is NOT the only way, and it does not have to be used or even seen by the 'Average User'.

It can be 'completely disabled' by the 'Average User" simply by ticking two boxes on the properties window/ Navigation tab of the Task Bar. They can also switch Metro on or off simply by pressing the Windows key on their keyboard.


I disagree.  You still need a start button replacement. And why bother upgrading your OS if you aren't going to use all the new features?

MaxLV: As for Windows 8/8.1 not being 'commercial' again what do you base your definition of 'commercial' on?  Go into any major retailer selling Windows based computers to the "Average User' (where most home computers are purchased) and vast majority of those Windows computers have Windows 8/8.1 installed. That is what the average user is buying and presumably using when they get it set up at their home. 


As per my other post.  Desktop sales are declining in favour of smartphones and tablets, and MS are losing in those markets.  How far that swing away from desktops continues remains to be seen, but MS could end up the winner of division 2.



Ma and pa user are the ones buying and using Windows 8/8.1 computers because that is what is being sold to them.

See there's your problem, you seem to be of the opinion making an OS look like the previous version is somehow wrong, and something not worth buying/upgrading.  Every OS can and often is used/can look like the previous version. That not a bad thing you know. It's called backwards compatibility.

You DONT need the start button, I haven't needed OR used it since I installed Winodows XP. And it is and always has been a crap way of accessing Windows and the programmes that run on it. It's only slightly better than using the command line....  

Desktop sales, across all OS'es, NOT just Windows 8/8.1.  That's because of the new hardware platforms, as you say smartphones and tablets. That's not caused by Windows 8/8.1.


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MaxLV: Desktop sales, across all OS'es, NOT just Windows 8/8.1.  That's because of the new hardware platforms, as you say smartphones and tablets. That's not caused by Windows 8/8.1. 


Metro is a touch UI.  Windows 8 was built for tablets.  You can't ignore the fact it is failing in that market and call it a success because it is winning the desktop market where it is the only viable competitor.

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  #973951 25-Jan-2014 07:43
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MaxLV: Desktop sales, across all OS'es, NOT just Windows 8/8.1.  That's because of the new hardware platforms, as you say smartphones and tablets. That's not caused by Windows 8/8.1. 


Metro is a touch UI.  Windows 8 was built for tablets.  You can't ignore the fact it is failing in that market and call it a success because it is winning the desktop market where it is the only viable competitor.


I have a Surface yes its touch. I also have a non touch Laptop using 8.1 and a Windows 8.1 pc non touch. I have many friends and associates using non touch Windows machines. The only friends or associates that are not using Win 8 say they don't like it but on further enquiry say they have never used it.

Yes Windows 8.1 is touch friendly, is non touch friendly? Very much so.

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  #973952 25-Jan-2014 07:50
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KiwiNZ: I have a Surface yes its touch. I also have a non touch Laptop using 8.1 and a Windows 8.1 pc non touch. I have many friends and associates using non touch Windows machines. The only friends or associates that are not using Win 8 say they don't like it but on further enquiry say they have never used it.

Yes Windows 8.1 is touch friendly, is non touch friendly? Very much so.


And I'm posting this from a non-touch Windows 8.1 PC.  So what?  The thing still ain't selling in the numbers MS would like.

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  #973953 25-Jan-2014 07:55
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KiwiNZ: I have a Surface yes its touch. I also have a non touch Laptop using 8.1 and a Windows 8.1 pc non touch. I have many friends and associates using non touch Windows machines. The only friends or associates that are not using Win 8 say they don't like it but on further enquiry say they have never used it.

Yes Windows 8.1 is touch friendly, is non touch friendly? Very much so.


And I'm posting this from a non-touch Windows 8.1 PC.  So what?  The thing still ain't selling in the numbers MS would like.


It is selling and their revenue is increasing, I don't think they will be concerned.

All this Windows won't succeed thing gives we a great deal of deja vu re Win 95 and Win XP and to a degree Win 7.


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