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#1148820 7-Oct-2014 06:23

afe66: I wonder if this still applies if I install in a VM...

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-technical-preview-data,27816.html

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“The Windows 10 Technical Preview is a pre-release build of the OS designed for testing, evaluation and feedback. We use a variety of security technologies and procedures to help protect your personal information from unauthorized access, use or disclosure. For example, all data sent from the Windows 10 Technical Preview to Microsoft is encrypted in transit and we store the personal information you provide on computer systems that have limited access and are in controlled facilities

Once you download Tech Preview and become a member of the Windows Insider Program, you provide information about how you use the product, including what devices you use it with, along with your detailed feedback to make adjustments before we launch the product.“

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#1149205 7-Oct-2014 15:09

Only really annoying bug I've found so far is the Bluetooth is stuffed

I've submitted a lot of feedback using the Windows feedback tool, it works fairly well, though as users have said there needs to be a landing page to the app where it tells you how and where to submit feedback.

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#1149403 7-Oct-2014 18:56

My major questions are (1) when will this be out, and (2) is it worth getting? My desktop machine is a bit ancient and needs to be replaced in the not too distant future. After playing with it I have ruled out Windows 8 because the interface is so jarringly abysmal, and was close to jumping from Windows and getting a Mac.

I now need to decide whether to hold off and wait for this, or just push the button on a Mac order and jump ship.

I also note that, annoyingly, on the preview screenshots that have been released the start menu has been restored, but it now contains those hideous live tiles. Can anyone who has tried the preview advise whether they can be turned off to give a classic looking Vista/Win7 view, or whether live tiles remain endemic in the new version as well?

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#1149405 7-Oct-2014 18:59

You can unpin the tiles from the start menu

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#1149700 8-Oct-2014 09:13

JimmyH: My major questions are (1) when will this be out, and (2) is it worth getting? My desktop machine is a bit ancient and needs to be replaced in the not too distant future. After playing with it I have ruled out Windows 8 because the interface is so jarringly abysmal, and was close to jumping from Windows and getting a Mac.

I now need to decide whether to hold off and wait for this, or just push the button on a Mac order and jump ship.

I also note that, annoyingly, on the preview screenshots that have been released the start menu has been restored, but it now contains those hideous live tiles. Can anyone who has tried the preview advise whether they can be turned off to give a classic looking Vista/Win7 view, or whether live tiles remain endemic in the new version as well?

Your assertion that the "interface is so jarringly abysmal" is just so typical of so many people who never even TRIED to work with Win8/8.1, and honestly, what's up with that? You can BYPASS the start screen! You LITERALLY never have to use it!!! Given that, the "interface" of Windows 8 is nearly identical to that of Windows 7, and from a user standpoint, next to nothing needs to change about what you do on a daily basis.

I seriously doubt that people with the same attitude are the ones that are in Windows 10's target market, because quite honestly, if they re-released Windows 7 under a new name, you'd likely find some reason to not use it.

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#1149707 8-Oct-2014 09:23

JimmyH: My major questions are (1) when will this be out, and (2) is it worth getting? My desktop machine is a bit ancient and needs to be replaced in the not too distant future. After playing with it I have ruled out Windows 8 because the interface is so jarringly abysmal, and was close to jumping from Windows and getting a Mac.

I now need to decide whether to hold off and wait for this, or just push the button on a Mac order and jump ship.

I also note that, annoyingly, on the preview screenshots that have been released the start menu has been restored, but it now contains those hideous live tiles. Can anyone who has tried the preview advise whether they can be turned off to give a classic looking Vista/Win7 view, or whether live tiles remain endemic in the new version as well?

it takes about 30 seconds to remove the live tiles.

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#1149713 8-Oct-2014 09:44

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JimmyH: My major questions are (1) when will this be out, and (2) is it worth getting? My desktop machine is a bit ancient and needs to be replaced in the not too distant future. After playing with it I have ruled out Windows 8 because the interface is so jarringly abysmal, and was close to jumping from Windows and getting a Mac.

I now need to decide whether to hold off and wait for this, or just push the button on a Mac order and jump ship.

I also note that, annoyingly, on the preview screenshots that have been released the start menu has been restored, but it now contains those hideous live tiles. Can anyone who has tried the preview advise whether they can be turned off to give a classic looking Vista/Win7 view, or whether live tiles remain endemic in the new version as well?

Your assertion that the "interface is so jarringly abysmal" is just so typical of so many people who never even TRIED to work with Win8/8.1, and honestly, what's up with that? You can BYPASS the start screen! You LITERALLY never have to use it!!! Given that, the "interface" of Windows 8 is nearly identical to that of Windows 7, and from a user standpoint, next to nothing needs to change about what you do on a daily basis.

I seriously doubt that people with the same attitude are the ones that are in Windows 10's target market, because quite honestly, if they re-released Windows 7 under a new name, you'd likely find some reason to not use it.

Tripe! There are THOUSANDS of people who did use Windows 8 who hated it, including a lot of IT Professionals. If not for that why, oh why did MS restore a more traditional looking start menu and make changes according to overwhelming feedback around how more simpler W8 should have been. W8.1 with all the updates is actually pretty good, but W10 is taking it to another level.

To the OP, I am a windows 10 fan and a fan of Windows in General. Removing the live tiles is very simple, you just right click remove and I think you can just remove the entire live tiles section, and if that wasn't enough to your liking you can actually get products like Classic Shell and Start8 for free or small fee that will give you a more familiar experience to what you are used to.

Customization is one of the strengths of Windows, you won't get that level of customization in a current gen Mac.

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#1149719 8-Oct-2014 09:56

networkn: Tripe! There are THOUSANDS of people who did use Windows 8 who hated it, including a lot of IT Professionals.

Yeah, perhaps. But every single one of those people went "oh this is crap" BEFORE giving it a chance. Those who DID give it a go enjoyed the benefits that it brought. I don't know why I'm bothering to argue the point - "haters gonna hate" and all that...I'm never going to convince you, and to be honest I don't care if you like it or not. All I know is that I like it, and I'm super productive running Windows 8 at home AND work. If you can't or won't give it a go for yourself, then it's your loss, not mine.

Windows 8/8.1 is the best OS Microsoft have ever made, and I look forward to even better things from Windows 10.

networkn:
Customization is one of the strengths of Windows, you won't get that level of customization in a current gen Mac.

Nor even in an older gen Mac. And I strongly suspect you'll NEVER get that level of customisation in a Mac.

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#1149720 8-Oct-2014 09:59

Well, I got this installed on my Surface Pro with no problems - all files, apps, etc seem to have survived the upgrade without issue. Admittedly I haven't had much time to play with it all yet, but I was initially unsure if I'd actually installed 10 or accidentally re-installed the windows 8 preview - it is very very similar at first glance. Then I swiped from the left and it prompted me to create a new desktop and a quick search for the build number confirmed 10 :P

I then found the option to turn on the "start menu" in place of start screen and promptly turned it off again - the start screen just works better on the touchscreen (and smaller screen) of the surface. I'm one of those people who persevered with Windows 8 and actually don't mind, and even appreciate in many cases, the start screen, so I'm not sure I'll even turn it on on my desktop. 8.1 addressed my last minor quibbles with the start screen.

I'll spend some more time with 10 but looks decent so far.

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#1149723 8-Oct-2014 10:05

markl:

Yeah, perhaps. But every single one of those people went "oh this is crap" BEFORE giving it a chance. Those who DID give it a go enjoyed the benefits that it brought. I don't know why I'm bothering to argue the point - "haters gonna hate" and all that...I'm never going to convince you, and to be honest I don't care if you like it or not. All I know is that I like it, and I'm super productive running Windows 8 at home AND work. If you can't or won't give it a go for yourself, then it's your loss, not mine.

Windows 8/8.1 is the best OS Microsoft have ever made, and I look forward to even better things from Windows 10.

Did you even READ what I wrote? I HAVE tried it, I have RUN it at home and work. I was involved in versions before public release. I like W8.1 with it's updates, but W8 shipping was a mess.

Your assertion that people who did not like it, did so before giving it a chance is patently untrue in the vast majority of cases. Are you suggesting all the reviewers who panned it never used it either? Despite having pages of screenshots, detailed explanations of why it wasn't as good as it should have been?

Not sure why you are being so hostile and matter of fact. YOU liked it, but that doesn't make it a fantastic product, it means YOU like it.

If everyone agreed, then MS wouldn't have changed the product to reflect the feedback they got, would they?

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#1149746 8-Oct-2014 10:45

networkn: Did you even READ what I wrote? I HAVE tried it, I have RUN it at home and work. I was involved in versions before public release. I like W8.1 with it's updates, but W8 shipping was a mess.

Your assertion that people who did not like it, did so before giving it a chance is patently untrue in the vast majority of cases. Are you suggesting all the reviewers who panned it never used it either? Despite having pages of screenshots, detailed explanations of why it wasn't as good as it should have been?

Not sure why you are being so hostile and matter of fact. YOU liked it, but that doesn't make it a fantastic product, it means YOU like it.

If everyone agreed, then MS wouldn't have changed the product to reflect the feedback they got, would they?

Wow, I'm not the one being hostile! Take a chill pill bro!

a) YOU are *not* the "vast majority of users" - just as I'm not. You can't say that because you don't like it, everyone else dislikes it either.
b) Tinkering with the OS for a few days does not equate to giving it a go. Win 8's only real usability issue was that people couldn't be bothered to learn a couple of "new" tricks that would improve their experience of it. They just moaned that it had no start menu so they couldn't find their programs (clearly never tried the good ol' windows key and typing the name of the program to search for it).
c) In my experience, most reviewers generally have biases that they cannot get past, often due to commercial interests (i.e. "bribes" of one form or another) so I don't tend to care what they say. I also believe in the freedom of thought, and too often with technology matter people just rely on a review and form an ill-informed opinion without actually trying to find out for themselves whether a product is worth using. THAT is my real complaint here - too many people formed downright hostile opinions of Win 8 and 8.1 based on the hastily compiled, badly written, poor conclusions of a reviewer working under tight deadlines who didn't really even try to get to grips with the product.
d) Microsoft, just like many other commercial companies, has had to backtrack not because the previous product was bad, per se, but because their market dictated it. I'd LOVE for them to say "hey, you know what? Screw all you guys who hate the start screen, we're keeping it as the only way to use the system" but they are so concerned about sales that they HAD to put the start menu back in there, because otherwise the great unwashed masses would refuse to buy it (actually, they still sold shedloads of licences, it was just a vocal minority - trolls, haters, call them what you will, who refused to upgrade)/

Again, I don't care whether you like it or not. I also don't care that you didn't properly try to use it. I'm not the one missing out.

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#1150568 9-Oct-2014 11:26

Found a bug I think. My friend has an old XP install. I installed Win10 on an SSD, connected the old drive as a slave, and ran W10. When I open windows explorer and right click on a folder I don't have permission to view explorer instantly closes. I'll report the bug.

Actually I won't report the bug because Microsoft want me to log in with a passport account, switch accounts, and jump through hoops. I'm remoted onto the machine and I can't do that. Plus once I managed to sign in I can't type into the bug reporting window via TeamViewer. Stupid.

Is there an Microsoft person here who can report it?

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#1150603 9-Oct-2014 12:13

@timmmay: Said MS employees might be more receptive to the idea if you use Microsoft's proper name, or at least just a straight abbreviation without the $... (remember FUG says: "When talking about a company use their real name. We follow the principle that respect must go both ways.")

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#1161981 25-Oct-2014 13:30

ugh Build 9860 has a whopper bug. Two systems I have installed it on, if you click start button and start typing, the text colour is white same as the background, can't see what you are typing.

Not sure how they missed that!

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#1162012 25-Oct-2014 15:28

Have you installed the fixes from Windows Update too?

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