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# 175659 7-Jul-2015 16:02
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Hi all,

Any insider knowledge as to whether Windows 10 will have Downgrade Rights to Windows 7?

Thinking of a few reasons (for app support mainly) why some clients may wish to stick with Windows 7 when buying a new PC.

Thanks,
Peter

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  # 1338654 7-Jul-2015 16:23
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Wouldn't it be to windows 8.1? I doubt it will have downgrade rights to an OS that is two generations old.



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  # 1338656 7-Jul-2015 16:26
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Not so sure, for OEM's, Windows 8.1 Pro includes downgrade rights to Windows 7 Professional and Windows Vista Business so maybe 10 will allow downgrades further back than 8.x

 
 
 
 


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  # 1338658 7-Jul-2015 16:28
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People wanting to run windows xp in a virtual engine for older software, would need windows 7 pro,as 8 and 10 don't have this functionaility.

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  # 1338746 7-Jul-2015 17:28
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mattwnz: People wanting to run windows xp in a virtual engine for older software, would need windows 7 pro,as 8 and 10 don't have this functionaility.


If it needs XP, replace it, or let it die, or just throw up your hands and wind up the business. But don't keep trying to support it.

It's a shame MS hasn't taken the opportunity with the launch of Windows 10 and the death of IE to kill off some other things that need to be kicked to the curb. Like non x64 bit OS's. Dammit server has been 64bit only for years now, why the hell is the client OS still allowed to chug along.










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  # 1338981 8-Jul-2015 06:19
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A 64 bit only client OS.

That would be an idiotic decision

There is still a massive proportion of the PC installbase that is not x86-64. Even some PCs shipping these days are still 32bit

It will happen, but not yet.

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  # 1338982 8-Jul-2015 06:20
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kiwipeter: Hi all,

Any insider knowledge as to whether Windows 10 will have Downgrade Rights to Windows 7?

Thinking of a few reasons (for app support mainly) why some clients may wish to stick with Windows 7 when buying a new PC.

Thanks,
Peter


Where would these PCs be brought from? And ill find out.

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  # 1338993 8-Jul-2015 07:24
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nathan: A 64 bit only client OS.

That would be an idiotic decision

There is still a massive proportion of the PC installbase that is not x86-64. Even some PCs shipping these days are still 32bit

It will happen, but not yet.


I'm from the "force them and ignore the whining" camp. XP -> 7 was a really good time for businesses to just put the foot down, go x64 and get the pain (mostly) over with. Old app doesn't run? dump it. Peripherals dont have x64 drivers? bin them.. etc. 




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  # 1339052 8-Jul-2015 08:47
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Where would these PCs be brought from? And ill find out.


I suspect through the normal distro channels - IM, Dove etc. I know we've had HP and Acer notebooks with dual recovery options back to Win 7 from the default OS of 8.1

Thanks for your help.

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  # 1339077 8-Jul-2015 09:16
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I can't speak for any businesses but as a private user I still have XP (along with Vista, Win 7, 8.1 and even 98SE though I rarely boot that up anymore). The constant push to upgrade everything to the latest and greatest irritates me to no end. Often updates miss important functionality that existed in earlier versions. Nearly everyone has had that experience. I still have favourite software that does stuff nothing else will do, and programs that I just like and am used to and still work well. I am glad that XP lets me have the benefit of these things when others won't. What is the problem with that? 





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  # 1339130 8-Jul-2015 10:39
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You will likely find it is going to be a decision made for Business notebooks running Windows 10 Pro only. I have seen it with HP business machines, never with anything consumer grade.
Also I think everything 8.1 with bing is 32 bit, but could be wrong there. I won't go for a 32 bit OS personally, but I know of a few reasons why you might.
We have a client who did the upgrade to Windows 7, we put 64 bit on the first machine and then discovered they use a 16 bit DOS application that was written in the late 80's = no bueno. Still MS backwards compatibility meant it was just a 32 bit install and some mucking around with LPT ports away from working. MS backwards compatibility is amazing even if sometimes it would be nice if they did an Apple style slash and burn with legacy support.




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  # 1339137 8-Jul-2015 10:50
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nathan: A 64 bit only client OS.

That would be an idiotic decision

There is still a massive proportion of the PC installbase that is not x86-64. Even some PCs shipping these days are still 32bit

It will happen, but not yet.


Do Intel and AMD even ship CPUs that aren't 64bit capable these days? Event the cheapest PC or Laptop I can find at local retailers is 64bit capable.




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  # 1339140 8-Jul-2015 10:58
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nathan: A 64 bit only client OS.

That would be an idiotic decision

There is still a massive proportion of the PC installbase that is not x86-64. Even some PCs shipping these days are still 32bit

It will happen, but not yet.


Do Intel and AMD even ship CPUs that aren't 64bit capable these days? Event the cheapest PC or Laptop I can find at local retailers is 64bit capable.


yes there definitely are still 32 bit only systems.  Its not just the CPU, the BIOS etc needs support as well.  Typically low cost PCs these days

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  # 1339147 8-Jul-2015 11:06
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openmedia: 

Do Intel and AMD even ship CPUs that aren't 64bit capable these days? Event the cheapest PC or Laptop I can find at local retailers is 64bit capable.


Yes, some Atom's are still 32-bit. Not sure about AMDs range.

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