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  # 1359868 6-Aug-2015 10:40
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I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?

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  # 1359874 6-Aug-2015 10:47
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networkn: I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?


can you try again, both of those phrases work for me

 
 
 
 


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  # 1359875 6-Aug-2015 10:49
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DizzyD:
freitasm: 

It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.



Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7. 

So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it. 


I think Windows XP and Windows 7 were very well polished. The monthly updates were bug fixes, and that's understandable. Windows 8 was a disaster in terms of UI and UX. Windows 10 is nicely done but lots of small things that require a few more clicks than before, are harder to find, not in the most intuitive places. That's what I mean by "not finished".

MikeB4: You can look upon Windows being like Linux Distributions and OSX and constantly evolving, it is new to the Windows ecosystem and will take some getting used to, I am OK with it coming from a Linux/OSX background


I fully expect OS to have patches as required, for new features and bug fixes. I have been in this game for many years - think CP/M, Burroughs MCP, etc since the mid 80s. I think some of your comments in this thread are condescending. If some people feel things aren't quite right and you feel different doesn't make it right. Perhaps these people have different views.

What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure,  a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.






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  # 1359876 6-Aug-2015 10:49
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DizzyD:
freitasm: 

It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.




Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7. 

So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it. 




at the time Windows XP and Windows 7 came out (for example) the naysayers said they were both crap OSes too.

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What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure,  a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.


That's a good summary of how most people feel I think, actually. 

Personally, I'm hopeful that the new approach to building Windows works better in this respect though. Consider the Windows 8 story - we had the new start screen dumped on us - you loved it or you hated it. If you hated it, even though Microsoft heard the feedback people gave them loud and clear, you basically had to wait ~two years for a new one (barring third party options of course). NOW, however, the promise is that they can try new things, and do old things in new ways, and if people don't like it, they can give that feedback to Microsoft, and we'll have a shorter turnaround of a fix, or a change to make it better...

At least, that's the promise. 

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  # 1359885 6-Aug-2015 11:08
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freitasm:
DizzyD:
freitasm: 

It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.



Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7. 

So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it. 


I think Windows XP and Windows 7 were very well polished. The monthly updates were bug fixes, and that's understandable. Windows 8 was a disaster in terms of UI and UX. Windows 10 is nicely done but lots of small things that require a few more clicks than before, are harder to find, not in the most intuitive places. That's what I mean by "not finished".

MikeB4: You can look upon Windows being like Linux Distributions and OSX and constantly evolving, it is new to the Windows ecosystem and will take some getting used to, I am OK with it coming from a Linux/OSX background


I fully expect OS to have patches as required, for new features and bug fixes. I have been in this game for many years - think CP/M, Burroughs MCP, etc since the mid 80s. I think some of your comments in this thread are condescending. If some people feel things aren't quite right and you feel different doesn't make it right. Perhaps these people have different views.

What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure,  a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.




I get where you are coming from, however Windows XP only became a good OS with SP1 and a great OS with SP2. Windows 7 was very good from the start but still took a few updates to settle.




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freitasm:
DizzyD:
freitasm: 

It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.



Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7. 

So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it. 


I think Windows XP and Windows 7 were very well polished. The monthly updates were bug fixes, and that's understandable. Windows 8 was a disaster in terms of UI and UX. Windows 10 is nicely done but lots of small things that require a few more clicks than before, are harder to find, not in the most intuitive places. That's what I mean by "not finished".

MikeB4: You can look upon Windows being like Linux Distributions and OSX and constantly evolving, it is new to the Windows ecosystem and will take some getting used to, I am OK with it coming from a Linux/OSX background


I fully expect OS to have patches as required, for new features and bug fixes. I have been in this game for many years - think CP/M, Burroughs MCP, etc since the mid 80s. I think some of your comments in this thread are condescending. If some people feel things aren't quite right and you feel different doesn't make it right. Perhaps these people have different views.

What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure,  a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.




Great feedback.

the best thing to do is put this feedback in Windows Feedback tool, or to upvote existing feedback that is in there, so these work items can be prioritised against all the other upcoming Windows feature improvements

 
 
 
 


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  # 1359898 6-Aug-2015 11:21
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MikeB4:
freitasm:
DizzyD:
freitasm: 

It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.



Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7. 

So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it. 


I think Windows XP and Windows 7 were very well polished. The monthly updates were bug fixes, and that's understandable. Windows 8 was a disaster in terms of UI and UX. Windows 10 is nicely done but lots of small things that require a few more clicks than before, are harder to find, not in the most intuitive places. That's what I mean by "not finished".

MikeB4: You can look upon Windows being like Linux Distributions and OSX and constantly evolving, it is new to the Windows ecosystem and will take some getting used to, I am OK with it coming from a Linux/OSX background


I fully expect OS to have patches as required, for new features and bug fixes. I have been in this game for many years - think CP/M, Burroughs MCP, etc since the mid 80s. I think some of your comments in this thread are condescending. If some people feel things aren't quite right and you feel different doesn't make it right. Perhaps these people have different views.

What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure,  a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.




I get where you are coming from, however Windows XP only became a good OS with SP1 and a great OS with SP2. Windows 7 was very good from the start but still took a few updates to settle.


I guess the whole point though is that at least with Windows XP and 7 we knew what was in the updates. 

In this case we have no idea as to what is inside KB3081424. This is extremely bad for business systems. IT departments would (or hopefully should not), just role out this update to their machines without knowing what changes are implemented. Same goes for home users. 



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  # 1359906 6-Aug-2015 11:27
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networkn: I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?


Its no longer a desktop app that why. There are others too, eg calculator (calc) 

I suspect that over time more and more apps will start to slowly vanish from the desktop environment. 

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  # 1359915 6-Aug-2015 11:34
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DizzyD:
networkn: I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?


Its no longer a desktop app that why. There are others too, eg calculator (calc) 

I suspect that over time more and more apps will start to slowly vanish from the desktop environment. 


No that's not it - the Windows 8/8.1 "modern ui" settings apps still always showed up in start page/menu typeahead searches. As does the one in windows 10, for me...So as someone else already said, perhaps try again?

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  # 1359917 6-Aug-2015 11:35
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DizzyD:
networkn: I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?


Its no longer a desktop app that why. There are others too, eg calculator (calc) 

I suspect that over time more and more apps will start to slowly vanish from the desktop environment. 


nope, something is wrong with your search indexing

start, search finds apps and programs and settings (including Windows Update and calc)

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freitasm: Mike, it may not matter for the users at large, but it matters to some. I know very well how to use a search engine to find the KB, thanks. The point is the UI seems to be done in a rush. If they could save 15 minutes by not coding a hyperlink in Windows Update, just to ship the OS by the date they would.

It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.




You're right, Windows 10 is not finished

Microsoft is moving Windows 10 to a "Windows as a service" model that means the operating system is regularly updated based on feedback and automated telemetry.

That’s part of the reason Windows 10 is considered the "final version of Windows," as regular updates means it’s never really finished.  We will never be done with Windows 10, we will be regularly rolling out future updates.


I tend to agree with Freitasm.  I understand MS shift to a service model, but there's a difference between tuning the car and adding on the doors.  I'm probably exaggerating, but there are several little things missing (which I recall being present in Windows 8 and earlier) that makes it feel like the engineers didn't get round to coding those things from scratch in time for inclusion (or were missed off the project plan).  It feels like meeting the delivery date was prioritised over completeness.  I would have been happier with it being a bit more complete (maybe not 100%) if it meant an extra month or two.  

I'm sure it will feel more complete over the coming months, but right now I agree that it feels like it's just a very large beta test.

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nathan:
freitasm: Mike, it may not matter for the users at large, but it matters to some. I know very well how to use a search engine to find the KB, thanks. The point is the UI seems to be done in a rush. If they could save 15 minutes by not coding a hyperlink in Windows Update, just to ship the OS by the date they would.

It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.




You're right, Windows 10 is not finished

Microsoft is moving Windows 10 to a "Windows as a service" model that means the operating system is regularly updated based on feedback and automated telemetry.

That’s part of the reason Windows 10 is considered the "final version of Windows," as regular updates means it’s never really finished.  We will never be done with Windows 10, we will be regularly rolling out future updates.


I tend to agree with Freitasm.  I understand MS shift to a service model, but there's a difference between tuning the car and adding on the doors.  I'm probably exaggerating, but there are several little things missing (which I recall being present in Windows 8 and earlier) that makes it feel like the engineers didn't get round to coding those things from scratch in time for inclusion (or were missed off the project plan).  It feels like meeting the delivery date was prioritised over completeness.  I would have been happier with it being a bit more complete (maybe not 100%) if it meant an extra month or two.  

I'm sure it will feel more complete over the coming months, but right now I agree that it feels like it's just a very large beta test.


put the feedback on what you want changed into the Windows Feedback tool.  Seriously the Windows team looks at this stuff and is listening.  They aren't on GZ.

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  # 1359944 6-Aug-2015 12:37
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Can someone screenshot their index config so I can see what should be selected by default? 

I have IE History, OneNote, Offline Files, Start Menu, Users


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  # 1359945 6-Aug-2015 12:41
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try control panel, troubleshooting, search and indexing

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