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  Reply # 1582447 29-Jun-2016 09:39
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CYaBro: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3088755/windows/a-lawsuit-over-an-unwanted-windows-10-upgrade-just-cost-microsoft-10000.html

'Nuff said.
Wonder if this will start a lot more lawsuits?


Here's an idea ... Geekzone class action!

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  Reply # 1582453 29-Jun-2016 09:52
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How about a HUGE warning that if you click X to close the Windows 10 upgrade notification - you are actually agreeing to install it, and it will auto install sometime in the near future (wiping out your PC for a few hours, or permanently until IT support can swing by).

 

Because that's what is happening. Normally in the past, clicking the X to close a window is DISMISSING it, not accepting whatever proposition was on the screen.

 

Phew. Rant over.

 

Otherwise I like Windows 10. Windows 7 needs to die now, its slow, backwards/old and feature poor.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1582474 29-Jun-2016 10:15
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nathan:

 

 

 

Also the experience through Windows Update is about to change to be more clear

 

 

 

 

 

The upgrade offer is only around another month. People have been confused for 11 months. I don't really see the point of the effort required to "make" it clearer, 30 days out from the upgrade offer ending. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1582476 29-Jun-2016 10:23
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They're taking the p*ss. in the mean time millions of PC's have been upgraded unintentionally and they have pulled in all those users to their new Windows Store platform so they can sell more.

 

This is really something where the EU could step in and fine them for the behaviour





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  Reply # 1582478 29-Jun-2016 10:24
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ScuL:

 

They're taking the p*ss. in the mean time millions of PC's have been upgraded unintentionally and they have pulled in all those users to their new Windows Store platform so they can sell more.

 

This is really something where the EU could step in and fine them for the behaviour

 

 

 

 

I was actually wondering how the EU hadn't already got involved, unless computers in the EU are not having these issues due to prior action required of MS by the EU ?


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  Reply # 1582486 29-Jun-2016 10:34
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networkn:

 

 

 

I was actually wondering how the EU hadn't already got involved, unless computers in the EU are not having these issues due to prior action required of MS by the EU ?

 

 

 

 

No it definitely works the same





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  Reply # 1582564 29-Jun-2016 12:04
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Dairyxox:

 

How about a HUGE warning that if you click X to close the Windows 10 upgrade notification - you are actually agreeing to install it, and it will auto install sometime in the near future (wiping out your PC for a few hours, or permanently until IT support can swing by).

 

Because that's what is happening. Normally in the past, clicking the X to close a window is DISMISSING it, not accepting whatever proposition was on the screen.

 

Phew. Rant over.

 

Otherwise I like Windows 10. Windows 7 needs to die now, its slow, backwards/old and feature poor.

 

 

when you Click X on the notification dialog box that says "based on your Windows Update settings this PC will upgrade on" the dialog box goes away

 

then this dialog box pops up and stays on the screen for 15 minutes, if you're not using the PC at that time the dialog box will wait until you are, which has an option to reschedule or cancel

 

 

then shortly before the upgrade is to happen you get a countdown timer, which also has an option to reschedule or cancel

 


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  Reply # 1582583 29-Jun-2016 12:38
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nathan:

 

nunz:

 

nathan:
nunz:

 

nathan: The WU setting that allows all users (ie standard users) to install updates from WU does not allow a standard user to install Windows 10

If you want to stop a local admin from installing Windows 10 thru WU set this key

Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1

 

And then watch MS over write it .... See articles above.

 

But that's missing the point- MS SHOULDNT be doing this in the first place and forcing IT to play silly beggers trying to stop them is a waste of resource, time and money.

 

Whose Pc is it? theirs or ours?  EXACTLY.

 



The OS respects that key, we don't overwrite it, it has worked since July 2015 and continues to work. If you're an administrator you have permissions to HKLM to modify that key.

 

See articles referenced before - it is not respected, is often over written etc.

 

Look i dont want 4 - 6GB of crud on my limited space SSD drives, I dont want to download 6Gb of crud on slow / mobile / costly connections.

 

I dont want windows 10 and to waste time removing crud I dont want.

 

If I want a new OS Ill go out and buy one - that's how it has worked for 30-40 years but now Ms thinks they know best.

 

It's like Office365 - I kept saying no I dont want to go from 2013 to 2016 version of outlook, it kept popping nag screens and then auto upgraded and now i have the slowest piece of crud, spend more time waiting than reading, outlook 2016 sucks using active sync. And the fixes dont fix it ( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2441551) Another example of MS pushing changes that break stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

we've never seen this registry key being overwritten by anything that's from Microsoft

 

its in HKLM so it requires local admin permissions to modify.

 

If you don't want Windows 10:

 

-- Snip --

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]

 

"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

 

"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

 

 -- Snip ---

 

 Copy and paste the part between the "-- Snip --" labels, save it as a .REG file, import it.

 

 

 

As described in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351, the first registry value disables GWX, so you won't see the icon or any pop-ups suggesting to upgrade. The second value is specific to the Windows Update control panel and blocks the installation of Windows 10 from that angle.

 

 

 

That's it. That's really all you need.

 

 

 

Or don't run as local admin, only local admins can upgrade.

 

 

 

Also the experience through Windows Update is about to change to be more clear

 

 

 

 

 

Once upon a time - domain joined Pcs didn't get upgraded. now they do:

 

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/01/14/microsoft-starts-pushing-windows-10-to-domain-joined-pcs/

 

 

 

also note that MS reverts the options in DontUpgradeOs registry settings .

 

The keys mentioned above (HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx) prevent the upgrade to Windows 10, but it appears that they are not blocking any of the upgrade patches to be installed on Windows 7 or Windows 8 devices.

 

Woody Leonhard over at Infoworld confirmed that adding the Registry keys to Windows machines merely prevents the "get Windows 10 app" from being displayed on the system while all programs, scheduled tasks and files get still deployed on systems.

 

In addition, on some computer systems at least, Josh Mayfield, the creator of GWX Control Panel, noted that one of the scheduled tasks, refreshgwxconfig-B, was resetting the AllowOSUpgrade setting every time it runs.

 

Enjoy the YouTube video showing how the settings are NOT respected by MS.

 

Also enjoy this article: Shows the history of Microsofts Malware process : http://www.infoworld.com/article/3020460/microsoft-windows/banishing-get-windows-10-nagware-isnt-as-easy-as-you-think.html

 

 





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  Reply # 1582592 29-Jun-2016 12:40
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Dairyxox:

 

How about a HUGE warning that if you click X to close the Windows 10 upgrade notification - you are actually agreeing to install it, and it will auto install sometime in the near future (wiping out your PC for a few hours, or permanently until IT support can swing by).

 

Because that's what is happening. Normally in the past, clicking the X to close a window is DISMISSING it, not accepting whatever proposition was on the screen.

 

Phew. Rant over.

 

Otherwise I like Windows 10. Windows 7 needs to die now, its slow, backwards/old and feature poor.

 

 

 

 

Um - what features are those? And please dont quote wifi password sharing or Apps as those are not features but security flaws and more forced crapware I don't want.

 

 





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  Reply # 1582595 29-Jun-2016 12:49
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nunz:

 

Dairyxox:

 

How about a HUGE warning that if you click X to close the Windows 10 upgrade notification - you are actually agreeing to install it, and it will auto install sometime in the near future (wiping out your PC for a few hours, or permanently until IT support can swing by).

 

Because that's what is happening. Normally in the past, clicking the X to close a window is DISMISSING it, not accepting whatever proposition was on the screen.

 

Phew. Rant over.

 

Otherwise I like Windows 10. Windows 7 needs to die now, its slow, backwards/old and feature poor.

 

 

 

 

Um - what features are those? And please dont quote wifi password sharing or Apps as those are not features but security flaws and more forced crapware I don't want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well your perception of those, probably differs from the majority. One mans trash is another mans treasure. 

 

I am not a fan of W10, nor of MS's refusal to listen to feedback they get over "major missteps", but I think you are being a little unreasonable in your assertion that there aren't (m)any features 

 

 


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  Reply # 1582663 29-Jun-2016 13:19
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nunz:

 

Dairyxox:

 

How about a HUGE warning that if you click X to close the Windows 10 upgrade notification - you are actually agreeing to install it, and it will auto install sometime in the near future (wiping out your PC for a few hours, or permanently until IT support can swing by).

 

Because that's what is happening. Normally in the past, clicking the X to close a window is DISMISSING it, not accepting whatever proposition was on the screen.

 

Phew. Rant over.

 

Otherwise I like Windows 10. Windows 7 needs to die now, its slow, backwards/old and feature poor.

 

 

 

 

Um - what features are those? And please dont quote wifi password sharing or Apps as those are not features but security flaws and more forced crapware I don't want.

 

 

 

 

You're heading off-topic, but briefly...

 

 

 

-The ability to toggle a connection as metered is enough alone to justify, for me but also;

 

-Update sharing across the LAN - Download once, install on many PC's

 

-Battery Saver

 

-Multiple/Virtual Desktops

 

-App recording

 

-Directx 12

 

-Cortana

 

-"Modern" file systems support

 

-Modern device support (CPU's - scheduler)

 

-Fast Startup

 

-More efficient use of disk space

 

plus many more.

 

 


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  Reply # 1582690 29-Jun-2016 14:09
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nunz:

 

nathan:

 

nunz:

 

nathan:
nunz:

 

nathan: The WU setting that allows all users (ie standard users) to install updates from WU does not allow a standard user to install Windows 10

If you want to stop a local admin from installing Windows 10 thru WU set this key

Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1

 

And then watch MS over write it .... See articles above.

 

But that's missing the point- MS SHOULDNT be doing this in the first place and forcing IT to play silly beggers trying to stop them is a waste of resource, time and money.

 

Whose Pc is it? theirs or ours?  EXACTLY.

 



The OS respects that key, we don't overwrite it, it has worked since July 2015 and continues to work. If you're an administrator you have permissions to HKLM to modify that key.

 

See articles referenced before - it is not respected, is often over written etc.

 

Look i dont want 4 - 6GB of crud on my limited space SSD drives, I dont want to download 6Gb of crud on slow / mobile / costly connections.

 

I dont want windows 10 and to waste time removing crud I dont want.

 

If I want a new OS Ill go out and buy one - that's how it has worked for 30-40 years but now Ms thinks they know best.

 

It's like Office365 - I kept saying no I dont want to go from 2013 to 2016 version of outlook, it kept popping nag screens and then auto upgraded and now i have the slowest piece of crud, spend more time waiting than reading, outlook 2016 sucks using active sync. And the fixes dont fix it ( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2441551) Another example of MS pushing changes that break stuff.

 

 

 

 

 

 

we've never seen this registry key being overwritten by anything that's from Microsoft

 

its in HKLM so it requires local admin permissions to modify.

 

If you don't want Windows 10:

 

-- Snip --

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]

 

"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

 

"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

 

 -- Snip ---

 

 Copy and paste the part between the "-- Snip --" labels, save it as a .REG file, import it.

 

 

 

As described in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351, the first registry value disables GWX, so you won't see the icon or any pop-ups suggesting to upgrade. The second value is specific to the Windows Update control panel and blocks the installation of Windows 10 from that angle.

 

 

 

That's it. That's really all you need.

 

 

 

Or don't run as local admin, only local admins can upgrade.

 

 

 

Also the experience through Windows Update is about to change to be more clear

 

 

 

 

 

Once upon a time - domain joined Pcs didn't get upgraded. now they do:

 

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/01/14/microsoft-starts-pushing-windows-10-to-domain-joined-pcs/

 

 

 

also note that MS reverts the options in DontUpgradeOs registry settings .

 

The keys mentioned above (HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx) prevent the upgrade to Windows 10, but it appears that they are not blocking any of the upgrade patches to be installed on Windows 7 or Windows 8 devices.

 

Woody Leonhard over at Infoworld confirmed that adding the Registry keys to Windows machines merely prevents the "get Windows 10 app" from being displayed on the system while all programs, scheduled tasks and files get still deployed on systems.

 

In addition, on some computer systems at least, Josh Mayfield, the creator of GWX Control Panel, noted that one of the scheduled tasks, refreshgwxconfig-B, was resetting the AllowOSUpgrade setting every time it runs.

 

Enjoy the YouTube video showing how the settings are NOT respected by MS.

 

Also enjoy this article: Shows the history of Microsofts Malware process : http://www.infoworld.com/article/3020460/microsoft-windows/banishing-get-windows-10-nagware-isnt-as-easy-as-you-think.html

 

 

 

 

it sounds like the instructions to set DisableOSUpgrade=1 weren't followed.

 

As described in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351, the first registry value disables GWX, so you won't see the icon or any pop-ups suggesting to upgrade. The second value is specific to the Windows Update control panel and blocks the installation of Windows 10 from that angle.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1582778 29-Jun-2016 16:02
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nunz:

Dairyxox:


How about a HUGE warning that if you click X to close the Windows 10 upgrade notification - you are actually agreeing to install it, and it will auto install sometime in the near future (wiping out your PC for a few hours, or permanently until IT support can swing by).


Because that's what is happening. Normally in the past, clicking the X to close a window is DISMISSING it, not accepting whatever proposition was on the screen.


Phew. Rant over.


Otherwise I like Windows 10. Windows 7 needs to die now, its slow, backwards/old and feature poor.



 


Um - what features are those? And please dont quote wifi password sharing or Apps as those are not features but security flaws and more forced crapware I don't want.


 



Wifi password sharing was disabled on the backend a while ago now

Because of limited use

It's not a security flaw. Firstly you had to optin to its use. It wasn't a default. It never shared enterprise WiFi networks.

Seems like a much smarter idea than handing a friend a postit note with your password or telling someone your password when they come to your house, to me.

Also re crapware, the consumer experience apps are easily controllable with group policy. You don't have to have them. They're also easily uninstall able and clean, no registry bloat or disk space left over since they're modern apps.

Try uninstalling various Apple mandated apps from your iPhone or iPad...

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  Reply # 1582844 29-Jun-2016 16:35
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nathan:

 

 

 

 

then shortly before the upgrade is to happen you get a countdown timer, which also has an option to reschedule or cancel

 

 

 

Should be bigger and more alarming IMHO.

 

Small balloon is fairly descriptive in what will happen for someone like myself, but "most people" affected believe they dismissed the prompt, not authorized it.

 

The second screen is a bit rubbish, because most times I've heard of the computer has been unattended. So its just counted down and happens with the user unaware.

 

Is it normal to schedule for 11pm like your screenshot?


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  Reply # 1582854 29-Jun-2016 17:03
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Dairyxox:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're heading off-topic, but briefly...

 

 

 

-The ability to toggle a connection as metered is enough alone to justify, for me but also;

 

-Update sharing across the LAN - Download once, install on many PC's

 

-Battery Saver

 

-Multiple/Virtual Desktops

 

-App recording

 

-Directx 12

 

-Cortana

 

-"Modern" file systems support

 

-Modern device support (CPU's - scheduler)

 

-Fast Startup

 

-More efficient use of disk space

 

plus many more.

 

 

 

 

I would imagine there are or will be third-party apps to do most of that stuff that will work better than the Windows versions. At least that is what past experience teaches us.

 

 





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