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  Reply # 1543659 28-Apr-2016 22:10
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nathan:

 

its cool you can use 3rd party tools to do this, just a reminder that the official MS documentation does actually work without the need to install or run anything

 

 

 

Here's a complete registry file:

 

-- Snip --

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]

 

"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

 

"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

 

 -- Snip ---

 

 

 

Copy and paste the part between the "-- Snip --" labels, save it as a .REG file, import it.

 

 

 

As described in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351, the first registry value disables GWX, so you won't see the icon or any pop-ups suggesting to upgrade. The second value is specific to the Windows Update control panel and blocks the installation of Windows 10 from that angle.

 

 

 

That's it. That's really all you need.

 

 

 

 

Kind of - but it doesn't do the complete job. Just gets the nag out of the way. There is a forced update coming when win x goes from optional to recommended updates and there are other issues lie the crud it downloads even with nags turned off. GWX deals a death blow to all those other issues.

 

 





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  Reply # 1543747 29-Apr-2016 03:42
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nunz:

 

nathan:

 

its cool you can use 3rd party tools to do this, just a reminder that the official MS documentation does actually work without the need to install or run anything

 

 

 

Here's a complete registry file:

 

-- Snip --

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]

 

"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

 

"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

 

 -- Snip ---

 

 

 

Copy and paste the part between the "-- Snip --" labels, save it as a .REG file, import it.

 

 

 

As described in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351, the first registry value disables GWX, so you won't see the icon or any pop-ups suggesting to upgrade. The second value is specific to the Windows Update control panel and blocks the installation of Windows 10 from that angle.

 

 

 

That's it. That's really all you need.

 

 

 

 

Kind of - but it doesn't do the complete job. Just gets the nag out of the way. There is a forced update coming when win x goes from optional to recommended updates and there are other issues lie the crud it downloads even with nags turned off. GWX deals a death blow to all those other issues.

 

 

 

 

 

 

theres no forced update, and if you set this key that I mentioned [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate] "DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001 Windows 10 will never ever appear in the Windows Update control panel, even if you're a local administrator and request it


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1545246 2-May-2016 11:00
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http://www.infoworld.com/article/3020748/microsoft-windows/how-get-windows-10-sets-its-hooks-into-windows-7-and-81.html

 

"We found that, although the Registry entries succeed in keeping the most visible part of GWX from appearing -- the Get Windows 10 icon in the system tray -- they do absolutely nothing to keep GWX off of Windows 7 and 8.1 PCs. In fact, the phalanx of programs, settings, scheduled tasks, and automatic Registry-changers continue to work behind the scenes no matter how you jigger those settings"

 

 

 

Never10 does work (so far), and is from a company you can trust .
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1546942 5-May-2016 06:47
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1101:

 

 

 

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3020748/microsoft-windows/how-get-windows-10-sets-its-hooks-into-windows-7-and-81.html

 

"We found that, although the Registry entries succeed in keeping the most visible part of GWX from appearing -- the Get Windows 10 icon in the system tray -- they do absolutely nothing to keep GWX off of Windows 7 and 8.1 PCs. In fact, the phalanx of programs, settings, scheduled tasks, and automatic Registry-changers continue to work behind the scenes no matter how you jigger those settings"

 

 

 

Never10 does work (so far), and is from a company you can trust .
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

New install of Windows 7 Pro (after Win 10 tried an auto install and the PC threw a hissy fit and b0rked) using Never10. Optional and recommended updates are off. This is my 80-year-old father's computer and he never touches settings. Yet, four days ago, while I was talking to him and observing his PC through TeamViewer, a pop-up appeared saying Windows 10 download was underway. I cancelled that really fast but it should not have happened. 

 

So, with all due respect to Nathan, Windows is STILL trying to take over computers and install 10 like any persistent malware. 


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  Reply # 1546949 5-May-2016 07:29
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Elpie:

 

1101:

 

 

 

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3020748/microsoft-windows/how-get-windows-10-sets-its-hooks-into-windows-7-and-81.html

 

"We found that, although the Registry entries succeed in keeping the most visible part of GWX from appearing -- the Get Windows 10 icon in the system tray -- they do absolutely nothing to keep GWX off of Windows 7 and 8.1 PCs. In fact, the phalanx of programs, settings, scheduled tasks, and automatic Registry-changers continue to work behind the scenes no matter how you jigger those settings"

 

 

 

Never10 does work (so far), and is from a company you can trust .
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

New install of Windows 7 Pro (after Win 10 tried an auto install and the PC threw a hissy fit and b0rked) using Never10. Optional and recommended updates are off. This is my 80-year-old father's computer and he never touches settings. Yet, four days ago, while I was talking to him and observing his PC through TeamViewer, a pop-up appeared saying Windows 10 download was underway. I cancelled that really fast but it should not have happened. 

 

So, with all due respect to Nathan, Windows is STILL trying to take over computers and install 10 like any persistent malware. 

 

 

 

 

this is happening when a user that has local admin rights is clicking the button insider the Get Windows 10 app to reserve or schedule their Windows 10 install.

 

 

 

You'd have to ask the Author of the Never10 tool why their tool is not working.

 

 

 

The official Microsoft guidance does work.

 

 Here's a complete registry file:

 

 -- Snip --

 

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

 

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]

 

"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

 

 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]

 

"DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

 

 -- Snip ---

 

 

 

Copy and paste the part between the "-- Snip --" labels, save it as a .REG file, import it.

 

 

 

As described in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351, the first registry value disables GWX, so you won't see the icon or any pop-ups suggesting to upgrade. The second value is specific to the Windows Update control panel and blocks the installation of Windows 10 from that angle.

 

 

 

That's it. That's really all you need.




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  Reply # 1557697 23-May-2016 09:05
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For those who got Windows 10 without clicking the "OK" button to reserve a copy: Microsoft was assuming OK if the window was closed by clicking on [X]. This obviously goes against what we ever used the [X] for, which is to dismiss something without agreeing with the action or result.

 

 





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  Reply # 1559180 25-May-2016 09:30
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this is documented here, including instructions on how an end user can click the button to cancel their scheduled upgrade

 

Windows 10 upgrade scheduling

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675




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  Reply # 1559182 25-May-2016 09:33
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It's documented. It says "When you close this pop up, your PC will upgrade at the scheduled time." when in reality closing a dialog means "ignore it", but Microsoft changed the behaviour in this specific case to be the same as clicking "OK" which is not how other dialogs work.

 

That's the point.

 

 





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  Reply # 1559183 25-May-2016 09:34
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Jaxson: I've read though, earlier in this thread?, that future updates can overwrite those registry values, so the official line might not be permanent?

Hence the appeal of something more active...

 

 

 

the Microsoft guidance works, Microsoft has no plans to make the guidance not work.

 

Never10 and GWXcontrol panel are using the Microsoft registry keys directly

 

 

 

If someone is saying future updates will overwrite the keys, can you please ask them to tell me the Lotto ticket numbers

 

 

 

How to manage Windows 10 notification and upgrade options

 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

 

 

 

Subkey: HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx

 

DWORD value: DisableGwx = 1

 

 

 

Subkey: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate

 

DWORD value: DisableOSUpgrade = 1


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  Reply # 1559186 25-May-2016 09:39
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Today I saw the first victim of the Windows 10 campaign pop up in my Facebook feed.

 

A girl who said she preferred Windows 7 for its user experience said her laptop has started upgrading without her permission and is asking how to stop the upgrade and return to 7.

 

I really find this a terribly aggressive practice forcing an update to people who do not wish to do so





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  Reply # 1559232 25-May-2016 10:58
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ScuL:

 

I really find this a terribly aggressive practice forcing an update to people who do not wish to do so

 

 

To be fair, no one is actually forced.

 

They are tricked into the update. Yes tricked. There is no other word for it.
Pretty scummy for a company like MS having to resort to underhand tactics to trick its customers.

 

When the Average user clicks the X , no one in this earth would have expected that to be the OK to install 10.

 

This is why so many are getting 10 ug's  that they didnt want or ask for . Saw another yesterday. Complaint that the laptop was running slow(it was very slow)
Cause, win10 downloading in the background. Run the GWX_control_panel,stop & remove the 10 download, after that laptop was usuable again.

 

frown

 

And yes this is common. I hear of this often, 10 upgrades that were totally unexpected by the poor user .
The average user is NOT an IT Tech & should not have to deal with this. No wonder some are so anti-MS .

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1560481 27-May-2016 09:39
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I just saw three on my social feeds this morning all complaining that the upgrade was forced on them. What a shi1ty policy by Microsoft, I would think especially when it comes to software upgrades dialogue boxes would act in the manner that they have for decades.


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  Reply # 1560489 27-May-2016 09:45
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I've removed KB3035583 several times, and have hidden it from future updates. It keeps unhiding and coming up as recommended update.

 

I don't have an issue moving to Win10 and am highly confident this machine will be fine.

 

 

 

I DO have an issue with user migration - this is a shared machine that others use, and I am being put into the constant position of 'WHY DID YOU CHANGE IT , IT WAS FINE BEFORE', which after 20 years of trying to be diligent have had a lifetime of sh*t over it.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1560765 27-May-2016 14:47
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UHD:

 

 

 

 

 

This is exactly what just happened to my wife!

 

She was busy working on the laptop when it restarted by itself and started the Windows 10 upgrade.

 

She looked over at me and said "What did you do?!"

 

 

 

Microsoft can make all the excuses they like about how it was the users fault, they opted in to the upgrade blah blah blah, but for something to just restart the system without any warning, causing the user to lose any unsaved work!, is unacceptable!

 

Not to mention the down time now while they wait for the upgrade to install!





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