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#1526127 5-Apr-2016 07:12

nathan:
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freitasm: And yet @nathan keeps saying there is no way for Windows 10 to be installed without user knowing and approving it...

They reserved their free Windows 10 upgrade. Now it's installing.

And again you are missing the point.

Yes they may have reserved the upgrade BUT they got no warning of that upgrade installing, it just did it when it felt like it.

I have seen so many variations on the Windows 10 upgrade prompts I think even Microsoft don't know what users are seeing now, and what prompts they are getting for the installation, if any.

It notifies you that your reservation is coming due and if this schedule is a good time to upgrade

The it notifies again 30 mins before that time

Then you still need to agree to the End User Licensing Agreement

Then you still have 31 days to roll back the update to your previous OS

But that's not true and I've seen it myself.
Got none of those notifications, nek minit Windows 10 installing.
So the only option was to roll back.

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#1526128 5-Apr-2016 07:19

reserving a copy doesnt mean you want to have windows 10 installed when ever it pleases.

ive reserved a few copies, because i didnt want to miss out on the free upgrade, i just havent had time to go through and upgrade things yet. And i sure as hell dont want the updates installing themselves and crippling my systems and my LAN.

@nathan you just don't seem to get it, people were under the impression from day one they had a choice in things when it came to upgrading, but MS has proved them wrong and you have proved that Microsoft just don't care with how you come across.

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#1526129 5-Apr-2016 07:24

CYaBro:
nathan:
CYaBro:

It notifies you that your reservation is coming due and if this schedule is a good time to upgrade

The it notifies again 30 mins before that time

Then you still need to agree to the End User Licensing Agreement

Then you still have 31 days to roll back the update to your previous OS

But that's not true and I've seen it myself.
Got none of those notifications, nek minit Windows 10 installing.
So the only option was to roll back.

the notification looks like the dialog box in here

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675

Every case we investigated the user was actually notified

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#1526131 5-Apr-2016 07:29

Jase2985:

reserving a copy doesnt mean you want to have windows 10 installed when ever it pleases.

ive reserved a few copies, because i didnt want to miss out on the free upgrade, i just havent had time to go through and upgrade things yet. And i sure as hell dont want the updates installing themselves and crippling my systems and my LAN.

@nathan you just don't seem to get it, people were under the impression from day one they had a choice in things when it came to upgrading, but MS has proved them wrong and you have proved that Microsoft just don't care with how you come across.

it doesn't install whenever it pleases after you've reserved it, you'll receive several notifications that your reservation is ready to install after you've reserved Windows 10.

Because the free upgrade offer expires later this year, we want to help people get the best ever version of Windows before the promotional offer expires.

you do have a choice. you've opted in as a local administrator to receive the update, now your reservation schedule is ready and its installing.

You can change the schedule https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675

or block a local admin from installing Windows 10 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351

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#1526134 5-Apr-2016 07:34

Im pretty sure when windows 10 came out, i loaded it on my laptop and virtualbox didn't work. It wasn't microsoft's fault. They just didnt have a version of virtualbox that coped with all the I/O devices properly at that time. So after a couple of weeks of trying to get virtualbox to work, i decided things were actually better with 8.1. So I decided to roll back the upgrade.

Didn't work. It only allowed be 14 days to roll back at the time. Have they increased this to 30 now. I guess thats a good thing.

I ended up staying on windows 10 on that particular laptop because I was so busy with life and other things, and now virtualbox have bought out a newer version and it works fine with a windows 10 host.

But yes, even if the upgrade got reserved at some stage, it should still "ask" if you wish to install. A guy I work with had windows 10 upgrade on his laptop and it went super slow, and now loads of his older software doesnt work.

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#1526137 5-Apr-2016 07:50

darylblake:
Im pretty sure when windows 10 came out, i loaded it on my laptop and virtualbox didn't work. It wasn't microsoft's fault. They just didnt have a version of virtualbox that coped with all the I/O devices properly at that time. So after a couple of weeks of trying to get virtualbox to work, i decided things were actually better with 8.1. So I decided to roll back the upgrade.

Didn't work. It only allowed be 14 days to roll back at the time. Have they increased this to 30 now. I guess thats a good thing.

I ended up staying on windows 10 on that particular laptop because I was so busy with life and other things, and now virtualbox have bought out a newer version and it works fine with a windows 10 host.

But yes, even if the upgrade got reserved at some stage, it should still "ask" if you wish to install. A guy I work with had windows 10 upgrade on his laptop and it went super slow, and now loads of his older software doesnt work.

There's another thread around, basically Microsoft is always right, just let Microsoft do what it wants, and don't bother arguing coz it's a waste of time. And they have created a robot to tell you that.

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#1526139 5-Apr-2016 07:55

darylblake:

Im pretty sure when windows 10 came out, i loaded it on my laptop and virtualbox didn't work. It wasn't microsoft's fault. They just didnt have a version of virtualbox that coped with all the I/O devices properly at that time. So after a couple of weeks of trying to get virtualbox to work, i decided things were actually better with 8.1. So I decided to roll back the upgrade.

Didn't work. It only allowed be 14 days to roll back at the time. Have they increased this to 30 now. I guess thats a good thing.

I ended up staying on windows 10 on that particular laptop because I was so busy with life and other things, and now virtualbox have bought out a newer version and it works fine with a windows 10 host.

But yes, even if the upgrade got reserved at some stage, it should still "ask" if you wish to install. A guy I work with had windows 10 upgrade on his laptop and it went super slow, and now loads of his older software doesnt work.

the close button at the top of the Get Windows 10 app UI that notifies you your schedule upgrade is ready, will cancel your scheduled upgrade.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675

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#1526178 5-Apr-2016 09:12

If I wait after 30 days can I still reinstall 7 from my win 7 discs? Or is the machine locked to 10

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#1526205 5-Apr-2016 09:47

Ramboss: If I wait after 30 days can I still reinstall 7 from my win 7 discs? Or is the machine locked to 10

yes you can still reinstall your PC whenever you like. Windows 10 cleans up your disk space after 31 days by deleting your previous OS.

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#1526210 5-Apr-2016 10:12

The problem I've had are users that are happy to accept/continue/next everything that appears on the screen without thought.

Admittedly they should have had standard user accounts , not local administrative ability. But its too late now the horse has bolted.

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#1526242 5-Apr-2016 11:30

nathan:

the close button at the top of the Get Windows 10 app UI that notifies you your schedule upgrade is ready, will cancel your scheduled upgrade.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675

Inexperienced users will not know, without having first read that kb, how to cancel out of the scheduled upgrade. My 81-year-old father received this notification, with it's highlighted "Okay" button and believed he was doing nothing more than closing a popup when he clicked okay. Sadly, he was overseas on holiday until the day he returned and got the scheduled upgrade notice. The notice popped up when he turned on his PC for the first time in six weeks. One notice. 12 hours notification. And an 81-year-old that didn't know what to do.

Please don't try telling me he is better off upgrading. He was happy with Windows 7 and wanted to stay with it. He ran programs that won't run under Windows 10. Regardless, it was his computer, his choice.

The upgrade borked. Dad has a bricked PC. I'm across the other side of the world from him and cannot help. This is a situation that should never have happened.

Microsoft gave people options to disable notifications and refuse the upgrade. Inexperienced users should, of course, always be told to use policy edits or registry hacks. These people have been shafted. Want to send a tech to my Dad to get his PC working again? Didn't think so.

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#1526303 5-Apr-2016 12:53

Dairyxox: The problem I've had are users that are happy to accept/continue/next everything that appears on the screen without thought.

... and people wonder why they suddenly have CryptoLocker on their machines.

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#1526322 5-Apr-2016 13:27

Elpie:

nathan:

the close button at the top of the Get Windows 10 app UI that notifies you your schedule upgrade is ready, will cancel your scheduled upgrade.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675

Inexperienced users will not know, without having first read that kb, how to cancel out of the scheduled upgrade. My 81-year-old father received this notification, with it's highlighted "Okay" button and believed he was doing nothing more than closing a popup when he clicked okay. Sadly, he was overseas on holiday until the day he returned and got the scheduled upgrade notice. The notice popped up when he turned on his PC for the first time in six weeks. One notice. 12 hours notification. And an 81-year-old that didn't know what to do.

Please don't try telling me he is better off upgrading. He was happy with Windows 7 and wanted to stay with it. He ran programs that won't run under Windows 10. Regardless, it was his computer, his choice.

The upgrade borked. Dad has a bricked PC. I'm across the other side of the world from him and cannot help. This is a situation that should never have happened.

Microsoft gave people options to disable notifications and refuse the upgrade. Inexperienced users should, of course, always be told to use policy edits or registry hacks. These people have been shafted. Want to send a tech to my Dad to get his PC working again? Didn't think so.

Where is your dad located?

If he is up north around Whangarei I'd be happy sort it out for him at no cost.

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#1526357 5-Apr-2016 14:17

Just in case it helps others,....

Steve Gibson has release a little tool to correctly amend the required registry settings under 7,8,8.1 to stop any update related install of Windows 10

Its available here ... https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

there are also other programs available like GWX Control Panel (http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/) that do a little more however are not confirming the the Microsoft party line as per GRC's version.

I could be wrong because of not having first hand knowledge, I have read reports of Windows 10 installing its self (somehow) and at the point in time you find it and ask it to uninstall the rollback does not work correctly putting machines into a state of limbo. Microsoft are being very aggressive with their insistence users move to W10. It will be interesting to see if/when Microsoft stop allowing the free upgrades people still left on earlier Windows OS continue to be nagged

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#1526364 5-Apr-2016 14:28

CYaBro:
Where is your dad located?

If he is up north around Whangarei I'd be happy sort it out for him at no cost.

Kind thought - cheers. No, he's in Queensland. Thanks anyway.

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