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  Reply # 1907137 24-Nov-2017 15:01
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Some of you need to start looking at Windows LTSB

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  Reply # 1907516 25-Nov-2017 10:40
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I can't really understand the complaints about updates. I was given notice of the Fall Creators Update being available yesterday on my workstation. I delayed it til the end of the day and installed once I had finished up. It took all of 5 minutes including a reboot on a 7+ year old machine.

 

 

 

Is it really so hard to administer your computer systems?

 

 

So you don't think being forced to accept an update that renders your computer unusable is worth complaining about?

 

 

 

 

 

 

No updates have ever rendered one of my machines unusable. I remember in the XP dark ages one update conflicted with a network driver meaning I had to roll back and wait for a fix. Perhaps solve the issues with your machine rather than blame updates no one else has problems with installing.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1907517 25-Nov-2017 10:42
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Lucky you

 

mine hasnt been rendered unusable but its made it more difficult to use due to no BT mouse, and needing to use the touchpad.

 

 


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  Reply # 1907518 25-Nov-2017 10:42
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Lastman:
UHD:

 

I can't really understand the complaints about updates. I was given notice of the Fall Creators Update being available yesterday on my workstation. I delayed it til the end of the day and installed once I had finished up. It took all of 5 minutes including a reboot on a 7+ year old machine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it really so hard to administer your computer systems?

 



Mine takes 15-20 mins on a ~5 year machine. I keep it in hibernate to avoid this but you have to turn off/on periodically when it becomes unstable.

It is a PITA especially after using something like an ipad where you never have to devote your time to updates (ie waiting 10 mins after booting to do some work).

I would never buy another Windows machine. There is just too much all round time wasting.

 

 

 

Wait, what is wrong with letting the update install after you have finished using the device for the night? Are you completely glued to your device so that a 20 minute break is impossible?


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  Reply # 1908262 27-Nov-2017 09:18
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UHD:

 

Perhaps solve the issues with your machine rather than blame updates no one else has problems with installing.

 

 

By no one else you mean you. What an attitude
Plenty of people have had issues after Winupdates . Plenty. Ive seen them .

 

It doesnt help when some manufactures dont release driver updates , or wont even given downloadable 10 drivers (cough cough some HP printers)
Its not MS's fault, they cant test every single piece of hardware known to man . So yes, Winupdates still cause real issues
for some .

 

 


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  Reply # 1908309 27-Nov-2017 10:24
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While using my laptop on the weekend to extend my wifi network it prompted for updates but also seperately for a major update which I assume is the Fall Creators.

The first update munted my monitor screen resolution and overscan. On research this was an issue with Windows 10 closing support on my Radeon graphics card. Further study, reminiscent of a previous hachintosh, showed how to reload the driver in Windows 8 compatibility mode with various tricks.

Then the Fall Creators took 1 hr 50mins (must have rewritten the whole operating system surely) and stuffed my resolution again so had to repeat the whole process.

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  Reply # 1908311 27-Nov-2017 10:26
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Lastman: While using my laptop on the weekend to extend my wifi network it prompted for updates but also seperately for a major update which I assume is the Fall Creators.

The first update munted my monitor screen resolution and overscan. On research this was an issue with Windows 10 closing support on my Radeon graphics card. Further study, reminiscent of a previous hachintosh, showed how to reload the driver in Windows 8 compatibility mode with various tricks.

Then the Fall Creators took 1 hr 50mins (must have rewritten the whole operating system surely) and stuffed my resolution again so had to repeat the whole process.

 

I'm guessing it's a _very_ old video card?





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  Reply # 1908326 27-Nov-2017 10:39
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It doesnt help when some manufactures dont release driver updates , or wont even given downloadable 10 drivers (cough cough some HP printers)
Its not MS's fault, they cant test every single piece of hardware known to man . So yes, Winupdates still cause real issues
for some .

 

 

Hardware manufacturers want you to replace your old equipment. They make no money supporting older hardware, and want you to buy new gear. Microsoft now consider windows to be SaaS, and they also have no real inclination to support older hardware, because new PC's sold = new OEM Windows license revenue.On top of that PC's that don't have the latest updates/OS _are_ a very real security risk, despite what some will say, and this is just the reality we live in now. If you hardware stops being supported, it needs to be binned and replaced, and you need to be running a current, patched OS.

 

Personally I think the first big driver of making people accept this will be when the banks start enforcing the clauses in their contracts with end users that if your PC isn't up to date and you lose money to malware etc, they won't reimburse you. If you go read the T&C's of your internet banking you will find clauses like "you will regularly download updates to your Device's operating system software" and "only access your Internet Banking on devices with appropriate internet security software" etc. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1908336 27-Nov-2017 10:49
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Lastman: While using my laptop on the weekend to extend my wifi network it prompted for updates but also seperately for a major update which I assume is the Fall Creators.

The first update munted my monitor screen resolution and overscan. On research this was an issue with Windows 10 closing support on my Radeon graphics card. Further study, reminiscent of a previous hachintosh, showed how to reload the driver in Windows 8 compatibility mode with various tricks.

Then the Fall Creators took 1 hr 50mins (must have rewritten the whole operating system surely) and stuffed my resolution again so had to repeat the whole process.


I'm guessing it's a _very_ old video card?



Radeon 4700 series, not pitifully old, Windows 10 will actually load a driver from device list if prompted but doesn’t do it automatically and Catalyst Control Centre is not supported for this catd on Windows 10.

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  Reply # 1908345 27-Nov-2017 11:05
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Lias:

 

1101:

 

It doesnt help when some manufactures dont release driver updates , or wont even given downloadable 10 drivers (cough cough some HP printers)
Its not MS's fault, they cant test every single piece of hardware known to man . So yes, Winupdates still cause real issues
for some .

 

 

Hardware manufacturers want you to replace your old equipment. They make no money supporting older hardware, and want you to buy new gear. Microsoft now consider windows to be SaaS, and they also have no real inclination to support older hardware, because new PC's sold = new OEM Windows license revenue.On top of that PC's that don't have the latest updates/OS _are_ a very real security risk, despite what some will say, and this is just the reality we live in now. If you hardware stops being supported, it needs to be binned and replaced, and you need to be running a current, patched OS.

 

Personally I think the first big driver of making people accept this will be when the banks start enforcing the clauses in their contracts with end users that if your PC isn't up to date and you lose money to malware etc, they won't reimburse you. If you go read the T&C's of your internet banking you will find clauses like "you will regularly download updates to your Device's operating system software" and "only access your Internet Banking on devices with appropriate internet security software" etc. 

 

 

 

 

The reasons, for example, I and probably many others, don't update more regularly is that the current computer can do all the functions with the required speed and the Windows machine is only used occasionally due to all online use being via smartphone or tablet. You just keep a machine for the spreadsheet or typing that would be to onerous on a tablet or a program you can't get elsewhere.


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  Reply # 1908351 27-Nov-2017 11:15
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Lastman: While using my laptop on the weekend to extend my wifi network it prompted for updates but also seperately for a major update which I assume is the Fall Creators.

The first update munted my monitor screen resolution and overscan. On research this was an issue with Windows 10 closing support on my Radeon graphics card. Further study, reminiscent of a previous hachintosh, showed how to reload the driver in Windows 8 compatibility mode with various tricks.

Then the Fall Creators took 1 hr 50mins (must have rewritten the whole operating system surely) and stuffed my resolution again so had to repeat the whole process.

 

 

 

We had the same thing happen on a 9 year old HP Desktop. I just put in a new GPU that supported windows 10 (a very low end card) and it was all good to go. We couldn't use the onboard graphics as it was VGA only and our monitor is HDMI/DVI  


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  Reply # 1908356 27-Nov-2017 11:27
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Has anyone else had the bug in 1709 where the start menu can't be clicked? it will (sometimes) work again after a restart. this is after a clean install happened on my computer and my mothers. I found that making another user account and using that one instead will often stop it from happening.  


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  Reply # 1908811 28-Nov-2017 09:19
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Lias:

 

Hardware manufacturers want you to replace your old equipment. They make no money supporting older hardware, and want you to buy new gear.

 

.On top of that PC's that don't have the latest updates/OS _are_ a very real security risk, despite what some will say, and this is just the reality we live in now.

 

 

How about year old printers... yep thats real world.
Routers , often never get any security updates . Wheres all the patches for Kraken on current hardware : mostly just ignored by so many manufacturers , no updated firmware for those either , which leads on to......

 

I dont know why so many go on & on saying out of date PC's are a real security risk
BS . Ive seen more fully up to date PC's infected by user stupidity than the very very few (maybe seen 1) infected/hacked due to being not up to date

 

 


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