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  # 1056024 29-May-2014 15:37
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networkn:
Linux is NOT a desktop Operating system despite how many people try to claim it is. Linux should be a Server OS only where it does a reasonable job. In 15+ years of evaluating it, I've yet to find a single Linux Distribution that worked as well as even the worst MS Operating system.


Then you have tested the wrong ones or not given them a fair chance and adapted to that OS.

 

The biggest problem with windows users who give a Linux distro a spin is that things work differently, they get frustrated at not knowing what to do and revert back to windows and wha they know.
I have been using Linux exclusively as a desktop for about ten years now and get frustrated when having to use windows (and wondering why it isn't as good as linux :-)  )

Of course, not all Linux distros are equal.

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  # 1056083 29-May-2014 16:40
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TimA: I am tempted to see how well it goes me switching my every day driver to 14.04. Currently windows 8.1


I suspect really well until you try to do anything useful. I've setup dual boot several times over the years and for me Windows in the best tool for the job. Mac would come before Ubuntu for me as a desktop OS. Of course my personal web servers and game servers I run are all ubuntu.


Linux is NOT a desktop Operating system despite how many people try to claim it is. Linux should be a Server OS only where it does a reasonable job. In 15+ years of evaluating it, I've yet to find a single Linux Distribution that worked as well as even the worst MS Operating system.


No, Linux is a kernel which is Operating Systems are built on, and maybe you should try out Elementary or Mint or Xubuntu etc etc.  I use Elementary as my main OS these days, though it is dual booted with Windows 8.1, which I only use when I really have to.  Elementary does everything I need, office, skype, movies, music etc.  And I have another machine installed with Zentyal server running Owncloud of it.  A Linux based desktop OS is perfectly fine for every day use

 
 
 
 


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  # 1056091 29-May-2014 16:53
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networkn:
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TimA: I am tempted to see how well it goes me switching my every day driver to 14.04. Currently windows 8.1


I suspect really well until you try to do anything useful. I've setup dual boot several times over the years and for me Windows in the best tool for the job. Mac would come before Ubuntu for me as a desktop OS. Of course my personal web servers and game servers I run are all ubuntu.


Linux is NOT a desktop Operating system despite how many people try to claim it is. Linux should be a Server OS only where it does a reasonable job. In 15+ years of evaluating it, I've yet to find a single Linux Distribution that worked as well as even the worst MS Operating system.


No, Linux is a kernel which is Operating Systems are built on, and maybe you should try out Elementary or Mint or Xubuntu etc etc.  I use Elementary as my main OS these days, though it is dual booted with Windows 8.1, which I only use when I really have to.  Elementary does everything I need, office, skype, movies, music etc.  And I have another machine installed with Zentyal server running Owncloud of it.  A Linux based desktop OS is perfectly fine for every day use


It will never be a mainstream desktop OS. It is a good appliance, server OS.




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  # 1056173 29-May-2014 19:11
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KiwiNZ:
semigeek:
networkn:
insane:
TimA: I am tempted to see how well it goes me switching my every day driver to 14.04. Currently windows 8.1


I suspect really well until you try to do anything useful. I've setup dual boot several times over the years and for me Windows in the best tool for the job. Mac would come before Ubuntu for me as a desktop OS. Of course my personal web servers and game servers I run are all ubuntu.


Linux is NOT a desktop Operating system despite how many people try to claim it is. Linux should be a Server OS only where it does a reasonable job. In 15+ years of evaluating it, I've yet to find a single Linux Distribution that worked as well as even the worst MS Operating system.


No, Linux is a kernel which is Operating Systems are built on, and maybe you should try out Elementary or Mint or Xubuntu etc etc.  I use Elementary as my main OS these days, though it is dual booted with Windows 8.1, which I only use when I really have to.  Elementary does everything I need, office, skype, movies, music etc.  And I have another machine installed with Zentyal server running Owncloud of it.  A Linux based desktop OS is perfectly fine for every day use


It will never be a mainstream desktop OS. It is a good appliance, server OS.


I completely disagree. After a hard drive failure I've just put the family computer onto Ubuntu 14.04. From the family's point of view, it still does the same things ... email, web, word processing, media server, games ... it's an easy replacement for Windows.

Also given the abundance of educational applications, it's better suited as a family desktop.



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  # 1056186 29-May-2014 19:45
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KiwiNZ: It will never be a mainstream desktop OS. It is a good appliance, server OS.


A year ago, I would have agreed with you. As much as I like Linux on the desktop, it was exclusively for geeks and geeks who installed it for family.
It may have all kinds of traction in foreign government departments, but among the mainstream it was never going to take off.

Two words have changed that. Gabe Newell. Since he rubbished Windows 8 (pretty much for daring to have an app store that might take away Steam revenue as far as I can see) and made a push for steam on Linux, the amount of studios, developers and sites wanting to push content into linux has increased massively. Intel, Nvidia and AMD have pushed their drivers forward to almost parity with windows. If it gains enough momentum, and with steamboxes built on linux, it might, your next gaming beast might be linux equipped, Why would you pay the money for Windows when you could sink that money into components. 

It still might not happen, Vista was supposed to be the gateway to linux as well, but it is looking like momentum is gaining this time. Even Google is playing the linux game with Chromeboxes and Chromebooks that are pushing linux out to the mainstream in a huge way. It all takes vendor backing and buy in which linux never had before, but is now getting in a big way.






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  # 1056190 29-May-2014 19:52
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KiwiNZ: It will never be a mainstream desktop OS. It is a good appliance, server OS.


A year ago, I would have agreed with you. As much as I like Linux on the desktop, it was exclusively for geeks and geeks who installed it for family.
It may have all kinds of traction in foreign government departments, but among the mainstream it was never going to take off.

Two words have changed that. Gabe Newell. Since he rubbished Windows 8 (pretty much for daring to have an app store that might take away Steam revenue as far as I can see) and made a push for steam on Linux, the amount of studios, developers and sites wanting to push content into linux has increased massively. Intel, Nvidia and AMD have pushed their drivers forward to almost parity with windows. If it gains enough momentum, and with steamboxes built on linux, it might, your next gaming beast might be linux equipped, Why would you pay the money for Windows when you could sink that money into components. 

It still might not happen, Vista was supposed to be the gateway to linux as well, but it is looking like momentum is gaining this time. Even Google is playing the linux game with Chromeboxes and Chromebooks that are pushing linux out to the mainstream in a huge way. It all takes vendor backing and buy in which linux never had before, but is now getting in a big way.




I was heavily involved with Ubuntu from early alpha, I thought back in early days that Linux did have a future on the desk top alas It has missed the opportunity and has remained an enthusiast OS. 




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  # 1056232 29-May-2014 21:08
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How threads get dragged off topic so quickly. I think it depends on your requirement... if you have to work in a corporate environment where you need to be able to open and work with every possible Microsoft Office document that someone might be able to create, then even Mac users need to run dual boot (Bootcamp) or a virtual machines from time to time.

If your desktop needs are reading e-mail, creating/editing documents (LibreOffice), listening to Music in most popular digital formats including streaming (Spotify), programming in most languages you'll find in a Uni comp-sci degree, then a Linux based solution will meet most of your needs.

Regarding using a Linux desktop with the mobile phone, I'm using Airdroid for almost everything these days so MTP support isn't something I think about much.

I'm going to have to read up on Ubuntu 14.04 - I just recently switched from the old Debian Squeeze to Debian Jesse, updated the init system to systemd and installed MATE desktop, since I still prefer the old keyboard/mouse based desktop rather than some touchscreen/tablet optimized thing.

Having said that, these days I'm doing a lot of personal stuff on a Macbook Pro, because apple have done a great job with the trackpad, the battery life and general usability in a portable device.




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  # 1056235 29-May-2014 21:17
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Oh glad to have come across this thread. Maybe someone can give me a hand here. I am trying to put 14.04 on a VM on my Windows machine. I dont want to dual boot since I am on an SSD with limited space. So I was thinking of running a VM with 14.04 on it as my daily driver and only fall back onto the host OS when I absolutely need it.

I tried to do a few things but I was not able to RDP into the VM (running on Hyper V). Could anyone point me in the direction of a decent Linux on a VM setup blog or any hand tips would be much appreciated. I havent had too much time to do my own research - just got on this project on Sunday. I have used Linux in the past as my daily driver in uni days so I know what I am getting myself into.

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  # 1061479 8-Jun-2014 21:02
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Krishant007: (running on Hyper V)


Oh god.

Perhaps switching to a more mature platform may help?

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  # 1061634 9-Jun-2014 09:09
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Krishant007: I am trying to put 14.04 on a VM on my Windows machine.


Try VirtualBox, and there might even be a VMPlayer version of Ubuntu 14.0.4.

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  # 1061636 9-Jun-2014 09:15
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Hmm. Yes I think i was about to take a look at using Virtual Box. Will give that a shot this week and see how it works out. Cheers

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  # 1061750 9-Jun-2014 12:58
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KiwiNZ: 
I was heavily involved with Ubuntu from early alpha, I thought back in early days that Linux did have a future on the desk top alas It has missed the opportunity and has remained an enthusiast OS. 


What do you mean by "enthusiast OS" ?  
I'd say Linux has managed to entrench itself in as indispensible software now and is far beyond enthusiast ... looking around my living room I can see 7 devices/appliances that use Linux ... and that's not me buying things just because they run Linux (personally I find Linux to be annoyingly unfinished), it's just things I've bought and then found that under the covers they are Linux based (Android phones/tablets, kitchen radio, satellite STB, media centre and the printer).

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  # 1061770 9-Jun-2014 13:41
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Mark:
KiwiNZ: 
I was heavily involved with Ubuntu from early alpha, I thought back in early days that Linux did have a future on the desk top alas It has missed the opportunity and has remained an enthusiast OS. 


What do you mean by "enthusiast OS" ?  
I'd say Linux has managed to entrench itself in as indispensible software now and is far beyond enthusiast ... looking around my living room I can see 7 devices/appliances that use Linux ... and that's not me buying things just because they run Linux (personally I find Linux to be annoyingly unfinished), it's just things I've bought and then found that under the covers they are Linux based (Android phones/tablets, kitchen radio, satellite STB, media centre and the printer).


I made that point in a post on page one of this thread "Linux is primarily a Server and Appliance OS "




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  # 1061843 9-Jun-2014 15:35
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kiwinz, so what do you think about ChromeOS? Is that not linux on the desktop and laptop? 




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  # 1061868 9-Jun-2014 15:42
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paulmilbank: kiwinz, so what do you think about ChromeOS? Is that not linux on the desktop and laptop? 


Not a lot, it has some uses in say the education sector but is is not going to have mass uptake.

It is about as recognizable as Android as being Linux.




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