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  Reply # 1657592 25-Oct-2016 17:37
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I'll never forget what one of the most senior Linux consultants in South Africa said to me a few years ago. There is no reason for Linux for Desktops, Windows is a far superior OS, and whatever you "save" in licensing, will be eaten in support or more. 


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  Reply # 1657602 25-Oct-2016 17:56
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As an old UNIX developer, I have never really been a great fan of Linux distros going client side - there are too many variations and not enough polish and conformity.

Having said that, I have both ubuntu and centos running on VMs and they do what they say on the box.

Recently, I was looking at getting Kodi on a Rasberry PI working with Plex. The issue was a considerable number of bugs and in the end lack of support. I am probably going to switch over to Windows IOT core and perhaps Android for that hardware.




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  Reply # 1657626 25-Oct-2016 18:41
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With all of the cloud tools replacing things like ms doc, the only reason I use Windows anymore is for games. Even at work, I've dualbooted my rMBP with Ubuntu and installed i3.. It's not for everyone, but I can't wait for the day when games and GPU drivers are on par with or surpass Windows support. Then I'll be done with Windows :)

 

 

 

 

So.... Basically... NEVER. 

 

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  Reply # 1657627 25-Oct-2016 18:42
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I'll never forget what one of the most senior Linux consultants in South Africa said to me a few years ago. There is no reason for Linux for Desktops, Windows is a far superior OS, and whatever you "save" in licensing, will be eaten in support or more. 

 

 

So Windows has low support costs then?

 

Even though I use a Linux desktop and laptop, I would say Linux isn't the best choice for either and will never be unless there is a big shift in the marketplace. If I were to go with a paid desktop OS then I would be going with a Mac. I left the Windows world behind a long time ago.


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  Reply # 1657632 25-Oct-2016 18:53
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I'll never forget what one of the most senior Linux consultants in South Africa said to me a few years ago. There is no reason for Linux for Desktops, Windows is a far superior OS, and whatever you "save" in licensing, will be eaten in support or more. 

 

 

So Windows has low support costs then?

 

Even though I use a Linux desktop and laptop, I would say Linux isn't the best choice for either and will never be unless there is a big shift in the marketplace. If I were to go with a paid desktop OS then I would be going with a Mac. I left the Windows world behind a long time ago.

 

 

 

 

Good for you. My sister has a business with 3 Macs and 3 PC's. She spends 3 x as much on upkeep of her macs and repairing and maintaining them than she does on her windows one. Next round it's all Windows desktop for her.

 

There will be stories on both sides of the coin but I've never seen or heard of an organization who have moved to Linux for desktop who have a) stayed there b) or if they stayed, did so because it was saving them money.


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  Reply # 1657634 25-Oct-2016 18:54
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networkn:

 

 

With all of the cloud tools replacing things like ms doc, the only reason I use Windows anymore is for games. Even at work, I've dualbooted my rMBP with Ubuntu and installed i3.. It's not for everyone, but I can't wait for the day when games and GPU drivers are on par with or surpass Windows support. Then I'll be done with Windows :)

 

 

 

 

So.... Basically... NEVER. 

 

:) 

 

 

I reckon you'd be surprised. When I open my Steam library on Linux, there's a surprising number of games that work now. Games I never would've thought would too!

 

 

 

 

Well, I have been hearing the same old stories for YEARS (I've been in IT a LONG time). Slowly but surely Linux is catching up.. Or you could get caught up, and use Windows :) 

 

Windows isn't perfect by any stretch, but it's pretty amazing for the variety of software and hardware it supports. 

 

I am not saying Linux will not meet your needs depending on what it is, but it's a compromise at best and in my experience, the majority of people using Linux on the desktop are the ones who want to give the middle finger to MS for some ill perceived slight on their wallets or "rights" as a consumer. 

 

There will be exceptions, like with almost everything, but that's how my experience stacks up (and yes every now and then I have a play with the various Linux Desktop environments to see what has come along.. It's always, in my experience, a compromise.

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1657636 25-Oct-2016 18:57
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The mythical year of the Linux desktop Is a pipe dream, it will for the foreseeable future be a hobby desktop for enthusiasts. There maybe a small rise but will not grow much above its current level, it could reach 5% at a push.

Linux desktop imho will not match the server success.




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  Reply # 1657655 25-Oct-2016 19:23
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MikeB4: The mythical year of the Linux desktop Is a pipe dream, it will for the foreseeable future be a hobby desktop for enthusiasts. There maybe a small rise but will not grow much above its current level, it could reach 5% at a push.

Linux desktop imho will not match the server success.

 

TBQH, the desktop metric isn't that important these days but do agree that the year of the Linux desktop will probably never happen, one of Linus Torvalds accepted failures that hurts him.

 

Linux (especially Ubuntu) has smashed the opposition in the server space under EC2 usage. No wonder MS is getting cosy with Canonical - if the future is truly with the cloud (even for desktops) then Ubuntu could possibly rule all and leave MS out in the cold.

 

From memory the Linux Kernel accounts for about 80% of all devices in the world, so I doubt Linus Torvalds desktop failure isn't that bad after all. 


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  Reply # 1657692 25-Oct-2016 20:07
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People as a rule will always pick the most simple and easiest way to perform a task. As a software engineer, the benchmark is to create software that is more simple and easier than what went before - sometimes, all that is required is to enable people to share their knowledge.

The market numbers show what system is currently the most easiest simple for the majority of users.

Many of the niche products are successful because they reduce the amount of choice the user has (they are a simplified ecosystem with a clear and consistent set of rules). There are only so many variations of web and email the market needs.




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  Reply # 1657725 25-Oct-2016 21:05
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Android. Linux kernel. 42% web client market share. Looking good for Linux ; ).

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MikeB4:

 

I decided to give Ubuntu 16.4 a whirl on a spare laptop I have. The install as usual was a breeze and all things work. It is responsive and stable and that's about it.

 

 

Let's turn it around and pretend you use Ubuntu 16.04 all the time and ask why you would want to go to Windows. The only thing I see is the apps and games.

 

 

Are you having a laugh? If that's the case, then based on your logic, if you want to have limited use, use Linux, if you want to be able to have a fully functioning computer capable of anything you want, get Windows!

 

 

Nope. Been running Linux happily on my home computer for 5+ years. It's fully functioning and does everything I want.

 

 


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  Reply # 1657839 26-Oct-2016 07:19
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There will be stories on both sides of the coin but I've never seen or heard of an organization who have moved to Linux for desktop who have a) stayed there b) or if they stayed, did so because it was saving them money.

 

 

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I see the argument from both sides. I ran Ubuntu & FreeBSD as my desktop for about 4 years. I used to game on my ubuntu machine.

 

 

It was just a massive waste of time tbh. Things didn't quite work, or were hard to set up etc....

 

 

Windows just works for games, apps, any type of devices... everything works. The UI looks a lot cleaner and the UX is exponentially better. (when you exclude the windows store stuff). I am writing this on my Macbook Pro and apart from a handful of things I personally prefer about mac, windows is hands down the best desktop platform.

 

 

FWIW nearly all my servers I work with are linux.





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There will be stories on both sides of the coin but I've never seen or heard of an organization who have moved to Linux for desktop who have a) stayed there b) or if they stayed, did so because it was saving them money.

 

 

Funnily enough, saving money usually isn't the reason to move to Linux but it can be a bonus in a lot of cases. Most organizations do it because they see it as the best move forward for themselves. 

 

It's funny, I had a few managers when in IT and most were "change" oriented but if you mentioned the benefits of Linux they almost adopted the fetal position on the floor sucking their thumbs - words like "change management" are cheap, all that happens in effect is moving the goalposts. Real change is where you see the future is at and be part of that movement.

 

NY Stock Exchange moved to Linux, you would have to think that saving a few shekels would have been on their minds.

 

Lets not forget, Microsoft had their own UNIX OS called Xenix before DOS came along to be used by the masses. The funny thing is that it may go full circle, so expect a MS version of Linux to become available. MS do have a version of Linux which I believe is for cloud/networking use.

 

I have said for the last few years that MS will buy into Canonical (Ubuntu) or RedHat and that is looking more possible now.


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  Reply # 1657861 26-Oct-2016 08:34
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darylblake: I see the argument from both sides. I ran Ubuntu & FreeBSD as my desktop for about 4 years.

 

I can agree that for some users, running Linux or BSD as a desktop could be a frustrating experience but that usually comes if you expect those operating systems to act and behave like Windows.

 

I gave up Windows during the Vista Alpha phase. I was a tester for Vista and saw that it was crap (even as an alpha product) and wanted out of the MS ecosystem because I could see the path they were taking was not a good one. We know Vista was a disaster (not their worst). Luckily 7 was better but not that much better, 8 was... well it was 8 and 10 is good/bad/evil depending who you listen too.

 

I can tell that when I started using Linux as a desktop I wondered what I had gotten into but after a few weeks it was like I had used it for years. I wasn't entirely new to Linux and BSD at that point as I had run FreeBSD and Redhat servers at home for a few years before. About ten years later I'm still quite happy as Linux desktop user. Sure it's got it's good and bad points but it's not different to any other operating system in that regard. The only thing that questions my use of Linux at this moment in time is not the software so much but the general politics within the whole Linux/Open Source movement.


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