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  #91995 23-Oct-2007 07:13
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kaiwai:
From what I understand, you can also do 'time machine' to a network drive as well.


Still, understand the meaning of Time Machine - Going back to a stage where things worked and thats important.

In Windows, if some update screws up my system, I can just go back in time by selecting the recent System Restore Point created and that resides in my local drive.

It would be nice to have the same with Time Machine Cool

I agree, there are few differences between Windows System Restore and Time Machine Laughing




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  #91997 23-Oct-2007 07:31
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Time Machine != Windows System Restore

Time Machine is an automated computer backup. 

Writing the backup to the same drive you're trying to backup, largely defeats the purpose of having a backup. It's like writing your pin on your eftpos card.

Time Machines wasn't born out of the need to fix things when something screwed your registry ;-)

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  #91999 23-Oct-2007 07:36
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lduncan: Time Machine != Windows System Restore


Have you looked into Vista's Previous Versions Copies Cool ?





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  #92000 23-Oct-2007 07:39
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Again != to Time Machine


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  #92003 23-Oct-2007 07:46
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lduncan: Again != to Time Machine



So, please explain Time Machine so that we can know more about it Cool




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  #92007 23-Oct-2007 08:11
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Other than what's on the Apple website, I can't go into detail (developers are under NDA until public release), but i'll say it's a lot more integrated into the system, and a lot more fine grained than the overview above shows.



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  #92021 23-Oct-2007 10:28
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...you'd still need a clone backup tool though (wouldn't you ?)
- like CCC or SuperDuper - for exact/bootable replicas of the OS drive.

..forgive me if I don't have my facts straight but TM, while being very integrated and automatic will NOT be able to create a bootable 'image' of a previously-fine-but-now-'hosed' OS. Again, this is my understanding..maybe TimeMachine will be THAT good that cloning is no longer needed...

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  #92023 23-Oct-2007 10:32
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Nope, no cloning tool necessary. If your HD dies, or you want to restore to a good backup, just boot from the leopard install dvd. You get the option instead of installing a new system, to restore from a Time Machine backup. 

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lduncan: Other than what's on the Apple website, I can't go into detail (developers are under NDA until public release), but i'll say it's a lot more integrated into the system, and a lot more fine grained than the overview above shows.


My views were after watching the Guided Tour on the Apple Website which everyone sees it before having Leopard in their system. Things should be clear before we buy Laughing




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  #92030 23-Oct-2007 10:41
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Ahhhh...thanks for that lduncan - TM sounds like a 'solid' tool then...

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#92032 23-Oct-2007 10:43
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lduncan: Nope, no cloning tool necessary. If your HD dies, or you want to restore to a good backup, just boot from the leopard install dvd. You get the option instead of installing a new system, to restore from a Time Machine backup. 


Chaks, this is what the Windows Vista Full image backup does. Unfortunately this is only avalable in the Premium and Ultimate editions (dumb, I know).




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freitasm:
lduncan: Nope, no cloning tool necessary. If your HD dies, or you want to restore to a good backup, just boot from the leopard install dvd. You get the option instead of installing a new system, to restore from a Time Machine backup.


Chaks, this is what the Windows Vista Full image backup does. Unfortunately this is only avalable in the Premium and Ultimate editions (dumb, I know).


See, things are getting clear now Laughing




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  #92035 23-Oct-2007 10:49
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chakkaradeep:
lduncan: Other than what's on the Apple website, I can't go into detail (developers are under NDA until public release), but i'll say it's a lot more integrated into the system, and a lot more fine grained than the overview above shows.


My views were after watching the Guided Tour on the Apple Website which everyone sees it before having Leopard in their system. Things should be clear before we buy Laughing


Most consumers aren't interested in what api's developers can use to add some really cool, and quite sophisticated backup features to their apps ;-) ... there's a hint given in the Address Book example.


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Hmmm...I know you can't break the NDA lduncan but does the below quote from some mac site hold true - that RI isn't a user feature? (don't answer if ya can't : )

"For resolution independence, Apple is only at stage two: Leopard includes the new API for developers to start using."

Actually, Apple introduced this API in Tiger, although they have made many, many fixes and improvements in Leopard that make it easier for developers to support RI.
One developer I've briefly discussed this with is actually quite frustrated that Apple dropped Resolution Independence as a user feature in Leopard. His small company put substantial man-hours (and thus money) into making their new app resolution independent, but since it's not a user feature, it was basically wasted effort that he could have put into other features for this software.
That said, Mr Schoenrank's description of Apple's pattern is correct, and not all planned features can be completed on schedule. This is probably why RI isn't enabled as a user feature in Leopard."

Also, will I be able to install iLife '06 apps onto Leopard from my Tiger disk? (...as a retail-bought copy of Leopard won't have iLife '08)

thanks for any answers....Love new OS's Smile

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